PS3 sales

[scooby_dooby]

So we already have Sony's official shipped numbers - why do we need to calculate it? Knowing that it is a 1.25 multiplication factor is a rather trivial point. My point it, for the purpose of comparing two consoles, the ratios:
A to B
(1.25 x A) to (1.25 x B)
are still the same.

Good thing this thread is not about comparing the 2 consoles then!

 

[dobwal]

So we already have Sony's official shipped numbers - why do we need to calculate it? Knowing that it is a 1.25 multiplication factor is a rather trivial point. My point it, for the purpose of comparing two consoles, the ratios:
A to B
(1.25 x A) to (1.25 x B)
are still the same.

NPD number are useful when looking at trends, but as absolute numbers NPD is rather faulty. You can't simply add a factor of 1.25 and then "presto, chango..you get the correct number". If you could then NPD would have changed their algorithms to account for such a consistent anomaly.

 

[RobertR1]

Is there any indication that HD-DVD optics have a lower technical requirement than BLu-ray's?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8383411&&#post8383411

Here is some info. Ask more on avsforum if you want more.

 

[onanie]

Good thing this thread is not about comparing the 2 consoles then!

It is about estimating total PS3 sales from NPD figures (ignoring the fact official shipping numbers will probably be available), and with the ultimate intention to compare NPD derived PS3 sales to MS numbers on 360 sales, right?

 

[dobwal]

It is about estimating total PS3 sales from NPD figures (ignoring the fact official shipping numbers will probably be available), and with the ultimate intention to compare NPD derived PS3 sales to MS numbers on 360 sales, right?

Yep, you hit the nail on the head. We are basically going to end up arguing over sales using to sets of NPD and other estimates, because of our inability as posters to wait for official MS and Sony numbers before starting the debate.

 

[scooby_dooby]

It is about estimating total PS3 sales from NPD figures
- Yes

ignoring the fact official shipping numbers will probably be available)
- No. Shipping numbers are not available.

with the ultimate intention to compare NPD derived PS3 sales to MS numbers on 360 sales, right?
- No. Read Laa Yosh's repeated requests to leave XBOX out of this thread.

 

[onanie]

It is about estimating total PS3 sales from NPD figures
- Yes

ignoring the fact official shipping numbers will probably be available)
- No. Shipping numbers are not available.

with the ultimate intention to compare NPD derived PS3 sales to MS numbers on 360 sales, right?
- No. Read Laa Yosh's repeated requests to leave XBOX out of this thread.

Shipping numbers are not available YET. So what are we going to do with this derived sales number? Comment on how it coincides with the number of times a person blinks in his lifetime? Or more likely, to make a passing comment on how the sales compare to that of another system?

 

[nonamer]

Speaking of NPD, can anyone explain the unusually large gap between shipped and sold for the PSP?

 

[dobwal]

with the ultimate intention to compare NPD derived PS3 sales to MS numbers on 360 sales, right?
- No. Read Laa Yosh's repeated requests to leave XBOX out of this thread.

He also requested we leave out predictions and look at real numbers? Which do you consider NPD estimates closer to, predictions or real numbers?

 

[mckmas8808]

I actually managed to find one on my way home from work this evening. Only just got it set up so don't have detailed impressions yet, can say it's making me want to upgrade my TV though.

What games did you get?

 

[heliosphere]

What games did you get?

I picked up Viva Pinata and Tony Hawk's Project 8 but they're not much use with the HD-DVD drive

Movie wise I got King Kong in the package and I picked up the Bourne Supremacy and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I thought I had the Bourne Supremacy at home on DVD for a direct comparison but couldn't find it last night.

 

[mckmas8808]

I picked up Viva Pinata and Tony Hawk's Project 8 but they're not much use with the HD-DVD drive

Movie wise I got King Kong in the package and I picked up the Bourne Supremacy and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I thought I had the Bourne Supremacy at home on DVD for a direct comparison but couldn't find it last night.

I thought you a PS3 today.

 

[heliosphere]

I thought you a PS3 today.

Yeah, sorry, wasn't very clear without a quote, espescially given what the thread is supposed to be about

If you thought I'd picked up a PS3 today I'd have thought the first question would be where I managed to find one

 

[scooby_dooby]

He also requested we leave out predictions and look at real numbers? Which do you consider NPD estimates closer to, predictions or real numbers?

Of course NPD can be considered real numbers, though they are merely estimates. That's not the point though, NPD was only brought up when the thread was taken off on a tangent by someone else bringing up 360's LTD #'s, and Laa Yosh feeling the need to clarify that NPD shouldn't be used for LTD #'s.

The point of this thread is simple, how much is PS3 selling? That's it. We'll take whatever we can get as sources.

So, with that out of the way, we do have some estimates from PJ Mcnealy:
125k - 175k shipped in US.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14540

According to research by analyst PJ McNealy of American Technology Research, for Sony's PS3 launch weekend, the company shipped between 125K and 175K units, far below the 400K that had been targeted all along by the company. McNealy noted that these latest figures even include 15K units that were sent to retail for interactive kiosks.

"After further review, our research indicates that Sony's PS3 opening weekend shipments were below our already lowered expectations, while Nintendo's Wii numbers remained in-line... [Sony's shipment] number is below our previously lowered expectations of 250k to 300k. We previously expected SNE to be able to still make a calendar year 2006 North American and Japan shipment number of 2MM, but those numbers are now under review," McNealy stated. "We will continue to monitor the frequency and volume of SNE's shipments to retail over the next 33 days or so ahead of Christmas, as well as the context of SNE's ship-in numbers being a factory floor-invoiced number as of December 31st."

He continued, "To be crystal clear, we don't expect it likely that SNE will update any of its hardware numbers before it reports its December quarter in late January. We believe that the December NPD report of North American November retail hardware is shaping up to be 125k to 175k, but outside of NPD and other local (Japan) market reports, we expect SNE to remain mum and focus on delivering units to retail."

With only 80k in Japan, and 175k in the USA, this is damn near a paper launch.

 

[Sankari]

Paper launch with estimates. Even if sony shipped 400,000k to US it would still mean weak launch.

Laa-Yosh, it wouldn't make much sense about the report of them releasing more consoles in Japan than expected, I think I would have sold more than almost 90k console then in Japan in launch, no?

 

[assen]

Speaking of NPD, can anyone explain the unusually large gap between shipped and sold for the PSP?

Where I live there are PSPs on display in all kinds of "lifestyle electronics" shops, which normally sell cellphones, mp3 players, digital cameras - far out of proportion to its actual popularity.

 

[patsu]

Yeap ! They are selling PSP everywhere and relatively cheap too. Off-topic... I bumped into PSP owners quite often in public places in Asia (2-3 times a week, sometimes 5 in 1 day). Almost as often as GBA folks. In US, once in a long while.

 

[London Geezer]

Yeap ! They are selling PSP everywhere and relatively cheap too. Off-topic... I bumped into PSP owners quite often in public places in Asia (2-3 times a week, sometimes 5 in 1 day). Almost as often as GBA folks. In US, once in a long while.

Yeah i see loads of people on the tube with their PSPs. It is doing quite well here in the UK after all...

 

[Arwin]

Yeap ! They are selling PSP everywhere and relatively cheap too. Off-topic... I bumped into PSP owners quite often in public places in Asia (2-3 times a week, sometimes 5 in 1 day). Almost as often as GBA folks. In US, once in a long while.

I meet quite a few PSP owners at work, and in the trains. Even played Tekken with some of them, which was quite cool. Hardly ever see a DS - seen 3 in total so far, my sister owning one of them. I'm thinking if the DS outsells the PSP in the Netherlands, then mostly to high-school kids or younger (who typically cycle to school).

 

[London Geezer]

(who typically cycle to school).

While playing a DS?? WOW... I knew you dutch people were cycle crazy, but that's just awesome!