PS3 sales

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Again these are sales. You are making it sound like M-Create are purely guessing. We've never ever known exact sales down to the last 1 unit.

It's always been like this. Why the change of heart?

If you read the description again, the data is incomplete (they sample a portion of retailers and guess from there based on those numbers) (extrapolate )

Statistics are all BS IMO because depending on who is doing the calculating you can pretty much prove whatever the hell you want.

Hey, i know these numbers are worshiped at neogaf and other places as gospel but after reading more on how this type of data is accumulated and how incomplete it all is, I'm becoming more convinced that they are all BS except for seeing trends and having a rough idea (again I say within about 30%).

 

[mckmas8808]

If you read the description again, the data is incomplete (they sample a portion of retailers and guess form there based on those numbers) and extrapolated (guessed at )

Statistics are all BS IMO because depending on who is doing the calculating you can pretty much prove whatever the hell you want.

Hey, i know these numbers are worshiped at neogaf and other places as gospel but after reading more on how this type of data is accumulated and how incomplete it all is, I'm becoming more convinced that they are all BS except for seeing trends and having a rough idea (again I say within about 30%).

Man all I want are numbers that show what the hardware and software is doing over there in Japan and M-Create does a great job of that. NPD does the same.

 

[Acert93]

Though the numbers vary, the ratio of consoles ought to be the same if they're getting data from the same sources.

The ratios won't be the same though if there are multiple sources and they update at different times, as well as if one is a static past-dated counter and the other is a past sales + daily estimated projections which are reset when new data is incorperated. From what I can tell...

1. They don't update at the same time.
2. They function differently for different purposes.
3. They don't necessarily use the same numbers.
4. Different criteria.

There probably is some bias in both sites, but I think many of the complaints are probably most easily understood when we look at what they are trying to accomplish, how they are doing such, and what information they are using to arrive at such.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

1. They don't update at the same time.
2. They function differently for different purposes.
3. They don't necessarily use the same numbers.
4. Different criteria.

As I understand it, the only sources available are...

NPD
Media Create
Official shipped figures
A few other smaller sources.

If they're starting from those same NPD and MC figures, and doing their extrapolation of how many consoles sold since those last official figures, the ratios ought to be similar. I can't see how one site could get, say, 15 XB360s per PS3, and another get 10 XB360s per PS3. The variation in figures shouldn't be too large, unless one site is doing a bad job of tracking figures and not updating when the other does, as new figures are released. I think worst case, one site has figures for last week, just before weekly sales figures are released, while the other has extrapolated sales for that week.

A large discrepency between the figures to me suggests a site is not doing a good job with the figures. At least in vgcharts case all the details are explained. There's no details on nextgenwars figures to evaluate for ourselves the likely accuracy of their figures.

 

[Hale]

One thousand on sale at Futureshop.ca.

Sony might be out shipping Nintendo in NA. NPD will be intresting..

 

[Serenity Painted Death]

One thousand on sale at Futureshop.ca.

Sony might be out shipping Nintendo in NA. NPD will be intresting..

Based on various reports this month... I think there is no doubt that this is true, and possible by a fairly wide margin. It seems they really have resolved the diode issue.

 

[Deleted member 7537]

I've heard that sony prepares a huge shipment that should arrive the 31th.

 

[mckmas8808]

I've heard that sony prepares a huge shipment that should arrive the 31th.

Who did you hear that from?

 

[Geo]

I've heard that sony prepares a huge shipment that should arrive the 31th.

Am I the only one who looks at that and thinks "That rumour started life as some smart ass mocking Sony's end of year targets by saying, 'Yeah, and 1 million of them will be delivered on Dec 31st. Har har har.' "?

 

[Deleted member 7537]

Who did you hear that from?

In some ps3 forums.

 

[StefanS]

Am I the only one who looks at that and thinks "That rumour started life as some smart ass mocking Sony's end of year targets by saying, 'Yeah, and 1 million of them will be delivered on Dec 31st. Har har har.' "?

Yeah.

There's no way Sony would save a large shipment until after Christmas. They'd rather ship smaller numbers in more frequent shipments which basically fits the pattern of a steady trickling in of a few units which we've seen everywhere in NA.

 

[London Geezer]

Am I the only one who looks at that and thinks "That rumour started life as some smart ass mocking Sony's end of year targets by saying, 'Yeah, and 1 million of them will be delivered on Dec 31st. Har har har.' "?

It could be true!! They could be taking advantage of all the partying on NYE and expect that LOADS of off-their-heads drunks will walk by a shop on their way home and just buy one on their credit card.

 

[mckmas8808]

I've heard that sony prepares a huge shipment that should arrive the 31th.

Yep you were right. Got this from another forum.

From Best Buy's ad which starts on the 31st...

Playstation 3 Tickets >>>> We’ll hand out tickets one hour prior to store opening on Sunday 12/31/06. // One PS3 per ticket and tickets are valid for 1 hour after that’s store’s opening. // Minimum 25 60GB PS3s per store // Limit 1 per customer // No rain checks

So supposely Best Buy will be getting plenty of PS3s on the 31st. 25 per store in 750 Best Buys equals about 20,000 sold in one day.

 

[patsu]

Hmm... hopefully people save their Xmas gift-cards for this. Was told the last week of Dec can boost sales by 10%-15% (of the entire month), but 31st is really cutting too close. They might as well let PS3 sells itself from the shelves throughout the week (rather than holding back until the last day -- assuming they are doing that).

Are they going to have some sort of new year party, or special deals ? (I doubt it).

 

[Kryton]

It could be true!! They could be taking advantage of all the partying on NYE and expect that LOADS of off-their-heads drunks will walk by a shop on their way home and just buy one on their credit card.

Good advertising if they sell on the morning of the 31st so you take it home, get pissed, then show your mates your cool new toy at your party? If they sell on the morning of the 1st, I don't think it'll be very popular.

 

[expletive]

FWIW, the Best Buy near me in Central NJ got 45 of them today and as of noon, still had 20 on the floor, all 60G models.

During the 15 minutes i was there (associate checking for wireless FF wheel in the back), i noticed that when people saw them their first reaction was to quickly pick it up since they were shocked they were still there. Once they looked around and realized people were just walking by them they put it back and moved on.

 

[patsu]

Yeah... the high price tag will have many people think more carefully. The demand will pick up again once the price lowers. At this moment, you may still need to be careful if you're really interested in scoring a PS3 *at list price with no bundles* (e.g., Fry's only sell bundles).

Hmm... hopefully people save their Xmas gift-cards for this. Was told the last week of Dec can boost sales by 10%-15% (of the entire month), but 31st is really cutting too close. They might as well let PS3 sells itself from the shelves throughout the week (rather than holding back until the last day -- assuming they are doing that).

Are they going to have some sort of new year party, or special deals ? (I doubt it).

Follow up from my post about BB's 31st sales... here're other reports today.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5217721&postcount=170

I got to BB this morning around 9:30am thinking no one would be there. Dead wrong. Tickets were already gone. I went all over NYC yesterday, went to the stores suggested by an earlier poster, all sold out. The only stores that had them in stock were small mom and pop shops that were charging a couple of hundred over retail. I should have trusted my gut and went to BB much earlier than I did, but all this GAF talk had me thinking I could just waltz on in. Hopefully I luck out this week.

This is of course an extremely positive outcome for Sony. There are certainly areas where things are slower. Read the above thread if you're interested in such things. Your mileage will vary.

 

[Acert93]

This is of course an extremely positive outcome for Sony. There are certainly areas where things are slower. Read the above thread if you're interested in such things. Your mileage will vary.

Yeah, really depends where you are. Quite a few of us have noted in a couple threads that we have seen them available; the one constant I have seen is an utter lack of Wiis.

 

[patsu]

Yes, at that price point and the perceived (and real) fun factors, Nintendo Wii will have legs this gen.
We'll just have to wait for Nintendo to ship more hardware to meet its demand later. They are not going to forfeit profit by air shipping.

As for PS3, Sony will always strive to keep enough units on the shelves (like PSP). At the current price and economy, it should come at no surprise if PS3 sell slower this year in some areas. The December numbers is only a few days away, so we should have a better sense soon.

 

[Tap In]

The December numbers is only a few days away, so we should have a better sense soon.

NA estimates