My mommy told me that when you have a fridge that fits 16 kilos of yoghurt or 16 kilos of cheese, you must choose what you want! You can't have all at the same time! When the fridge is full, you must stop buying and start eating!
But what the other fridge that was twice the size but the isolation took half the space anyway?
archangelmorph
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Mommy needs to stop buying you junk food!!
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Anyways there seems to be alot of confusion in the media surrounding the Europian launch..
Where one article paints a picture of a terrible launch detailing little to no queueing and poor sales in specific territories, another details amazing sales in the UK and retailers expecting to sellout by the wknd..
Rather diffuclt to get a clear picture of how well the launch has gone overall but things "seems" positive enough..
I guess time will tell..
I thought the PSP in the US launched in a similar fashion; large supply and healthy sales. But because there wasn't the usual craze due to the large supply, it was largely written off as a failed launch. So I don't know that I do consider this "spin".Of course since it hasn't done as well as they had planned and they didn't sell-out on launch it's now a "part of their plan"They truly are the masters of PR spin.
I'm a little curious why people are even remotely surprised at decent or great sales. There was not really a chance that the PS3 would flop at launch due to the built in fanbase and hardcore gamer market. The question has always been: once you get past the hardcore market, what happens? As the NA and JPN markets have shown, sales have fallen off. We may know in a few months how the EUR market reacts.
Of course since it hasn't done as well as they had planned and they didn't sell-out on launch it's now a "part of their plan"
Smithers! How many units do we still have on the shelf after launch?
{Smithers} erhm ... enough to last a few months sir.
Exxccellent! {taps fingers}
Seriously I think they did ok if the 600-700 sell through is true. Respectable number. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they turned/delayed a freighter unless they have significant warehouse storage ready in the region.
Some regions (*cough* France *cough*) certainly didn't fair as well as others, but it seems the UK picked up a good portion of the slack.
What good is RAM for textures when you have poor texel fillrate?
Mommy,
I agree, the fillrate for textures is crap on 360 and I can't imagine how it will compete in this regard.
Sincerely,
Kameo
Wake me when it's textures are matched(!) much less exceeded on any console platform.
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As mentioned elsewhere, GAME commends Sony on its professional handling of supply. Stock is known to be on the way and well timetabled, distributed to the firms' own warehouses. In comparison, XB360 launch was rather shoddy in terms of resupply, supposedly, and Wii is just a mess, with no-one having any idea what the restocking situation is or when they can expect delivery.
Of course, better to say Sony aren't selling PS3's and Wii are selling out faster than they can be stocked, rather than consider the complexities of supply chains...
People make some pretty bizarre leaps of logic sometimes. Like every time a retail company has a sale on an item, that has to prove that item isn't being bought and they're desperate to shift stock. The world isn't that simple that stock on shelves means no-one's buying it. We have sales figures to tell us how much is being sold.
Regarding Wii, I believe Nintendo is doing the absolute best they can to produce as many of the consoles as they possibly can and distribute accordingly to all regions around the world. So to assume that they are underperforming in the logistics dept compared to Sony is overlooking a very obvious difference between the consoles. One is in demand everywhere. The other isn't.
On xb360, again, they were producing as many as they possibly could and sold every one of them (minus Japan) until the supply issue eased in late spring. Sony doesn't have this "supply issue".
I do commend them on their manufacturing ability though ... They are ace in this regard.
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Regarding Wii, I believe Nintendo is doing the absolute best they can to produce as many of the consoles as they possibly can and distribute accordingly to all regions around the world. So to assume that they are underperforming in the logistics dept compared to Sony is overlooking a very obvious difference between the consoles. One is in demand everywhere. The other isn't.
On xb360, again, they were producing as many as they possibly could and sold every one of them (minus Japan) until the supply issue eased in late spring. Sony doesn't have this "supply issue".
Both of them also don't carry the high price. This is well understood dynamics and should be expected. There is no need to harp about it.
How many percentage is 60Gb and how many is 20Gb ?
You mean games such as Armored Core, and NFS Carbon are RAM demanding? Never new that.
And no we dont know that. You assume thats the contributing factor
Regardless of demand, they're (apparently) not keeping the retail chains up to speed, nor supplying them suitably when stock does become available. Even if they don't have much stock to offer, they can tell the retail chains a timetable of supply. Amount of stock and demand should have no affect on logistics - only delivery times.
Why's "supply issue" in quotes? It is a supply issue. Sony launched with enough supply to keep early adopters happy. If they had released 4 months earlier with 200,000 units for Europe, you'd have stories of sell-outs and PS3 being unable to find anywhere for 3 months. Sony chose not to go this route. They choose to enter the market with significant stock. For some people that's a better choice - they could be sure to get a PS3 if they wanted one, rather than having to keep popping into shops and ringing round stores to find if anyone had any in stock (though in Sony's case, thanks to a well managed supply chain, it seems you'd be able to reserve one with some certainty when you'd get it. That wouldn't be an option with a poorly managed supply chain). It also killed any eBay entrepreneurs. For other people, Sony's choice was a bad one, making the EU wait longer and so some people who would have bought early on had too much wait. And the entrepreneurs missed the chance to resell their PS3 for a hefty markup.Sony doesn't have this "supply issue".
Agreed. As I've been saying for the past year.
Shifty wanted to bring in the issue of logistics and how Sony seemed to be doing a better job in that regard in comparison to Nintendo and MS which ignores the supply/demand difference between these consoles.
Agreed in general - Sony is great at manufacturing and should be commended for supplying enough to meet demand. However, I can't help but think they were expecting/hoping demand would outstrip supply.
This is one strange thread. The title is about the UK launch of the PS3 but most of the post are about other things. Anything Sony related brings the usual mud slinging.
I think people will come back on topic after the next press release from Sony stating the extraordinary sales claimed by UK charts. In fact i just checked the Sony press centre website expecting to read one but nothing still.
Interesting side note.
Talk to retailers here in the states and ask how many ps3's were returned from Ebayers looking to make a quick buck only to find out the market wasn't quite what they expected...
In hindsight, I can't say I think this was a better idea than having the console available in Nov as the supply issue for ps3 cleared up rather quickly. However, it is nice for you Euro guys and gals that you could pick up a ps3 from day 1 without a reservation.
As for the "regardless of demand" statement ... Do you realize how many Wii's are selling? Roughly:
400k/mo in Japan
400k/mo in US
??/mo in EU (I hear its selling rather well and sold out as soon as it hits shelves)
Guessing here, but that's selling about a million a month. How many did you think they could manufacture at this point early in the game?
So it isn't "regardless of demand". Demand is outstripping their ability to manufacture the console. Whatever logistics advantage Sony has in this regard is pointless because the ps3 demand hasn't outstripped supply since ~30 days post launch.
MS wasn't producing anywhere near that many units this early in it's life mostly due to component shortages. Not logistics screwups.
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Agreed. As I've been saying for the past year.
Shifty wanted to bring in the issue of logistics and how Sony seemed to be doing a better job in that regard in comparison to Nintendo and MS which ignores the supply/demand difference between these consoles.
Agreed in general - Sony is great at manufacturing and should be commended for supplying enough to meet demand. However, I can't help but think they were expecting/hoping demand would outstrip supply.
It's a combination of smart management decisions (to delay the launch) and also diligent ground work (to supply revised board to "new" markets worldwide. The PAL territory extends outside Europe too). The planned GDC session before the launch also went extremely well. Software sales are great (so far).
Who's to say they are expecting or not expecting "sold out" ? They will need the excess stock anyway for subsequent sales, so they should send in as much inventory as possible. Again, how many 60Gb and how many 20Gb ?
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All 60gb - AFAIR.
Amount of supply doesn't affect logistics. Nintendo know how many units they are making. They know how many they are shipping to which territories. They know when those ships go out, and when they're expected to arrive. They can inform the retail chains how much supply is coming, when, and make sure when it arrives in the country it's distributed quickly the retail stores. That's the logistics of supply management and its independent of supply. If Nintendo were making 1 million a month and selling 900k a month worldwide, they'd say to the retail chains 'here's the shipping dates of when you'll next get stock.' If they're making 1 million a month and selling 1 million a month in any territory, they can say to the retail chains 'it'll be 3 months before your next resupply' as they distribute each million units to a territory in turn. Or they can say the US will be getting 400k, and the EU will be getting 200k, and GAME in the UK will receive 40,000k on the 5th of every month. The people at GAME have no idea when they're going to get stock. Nintendo are not on top of the logistics. Either they're not informing the retail chains what their resupply strategy is, or they don't know what shipments they've sent where.
