Not even a month. SCE announced the delay in Europe on Sep. 6. What the OP is talking about is the interview with Kutaragi at TGS 2 weeks later. Go figure
PS3 launch in Europe possibly delayed further
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Wouldn't surprise me at all so see the launch delayed further, neither would 100 € extra surprise me. They would even get away with it. I know a guy who'd sell his mother for a PS3 and wouldn't even consder getting a X360, even for free. Its like Sony has attached an invisible brain-slug to his head. Anything not Sony is just SOOO not cool. And he certainly isn't alone...
Has anyone from Europe on this board changed their mind about buying a PS3 because of the way Sony has treated the region? It seems a lot of you are pissed about being treated like a foregone conclusion by Sony but i dont recall anyone saying they'll forego a PS3 because of it.
Maybe a poll....
Maybe a poll....
Well, in all honesty, i'm a bit pissed off at the way Sony handled a few things, but in the end i wouldn't have bought a PS3 before next year anyway. Just don't have the money. And to be honest i'm still not 100% sure i will actually buy one as i will want a HDTV to go with it and that's even more cash...
Learn what? It was delayed for something like a year IIRC, and is still selling pretty well. If you have a product people want, they'll buy it. If you are 'late' getting them that product, they'll still buy it. The only way that isn't going to work out is if there's a rival product that wins them over during the delay. That wasn't true for PSP. It's debatable if that's the case for PS3 (as in how many intending to buy PS3 see XB360 or Wii as alternatives?).
True, PSP in the UK at least is hot property. Big time.
DS also, but that's DS and we knew it was gonna do well. PSP has been doing VERY well in the UK even with the stupid 1 year delay.
So, if anything, yes, Sony has learnt something: that delays don't always translate to failure, because if the product is good and if they promote it well, people will buy it.
And that was PSP, a new product in a new market for them (very risky!). PS3 will be a completely different beast as it will be an updated version of a product that was hugely successful, sold in the same market made of people who bought millions of their old products. Much less risky and more likely to do well than PSP, which already did quite well anyway.
DS also, but that's DS and we knew it was gonna do well. PSP has been doing VERY well in the UK even with the stupid 1 year delay.
So, if anything, yes, Sony has learnt something: that delays don't always translate to failure, because if the product is good and if they promote it well, people will buy it.
And that was PSP, a new product in a new market for them (very risky!). PS3 will be a completely different beast as it will be an updated version of a product that was hugely successful, sold in the same market made of people who bought millions of their old products. Much less risky and more likely to do well than PSP, which already did quite well anyway.
Jon Brittan
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Me.
Though not necessarily because of the way they've treated the region.
I didn't have a PS2 last gen, no need as there were no exclusives that were of any direct interest to me and friends had them so we played on theirs when necessary.
This generation though I had originally planned on getting all three consoles. I have my 360 now and will pick up a Wii at (or near) launch, I really question whether I'll bother with the PS3 now though.
It's more the price, the fact that Sony seem to think they can stick it to Europe (again) just gives it a bit more of an unpleasant flavour, but there is absolutely no way I'm paying launch priuce for a console that I don't see offering anything significant over it's competitors (blu-ray for movie playback is irrelevant and I don't see it getting *that* much specific game use due to the mostly cross-platform nature of games).
The only thing that's going to sway my mind now is if some of the exclusives (Motorstorm? Heavenly Sword?) can persuade me otherwise. Problem is, I *still* won't buy it at full price for those and my interest will probably have waned, in favour of actually finishing some of the games on the other consoles I own, by the time it's at a price-point I'm happy with and by then I'll probably have one eye on next-next-gen too...
Though not necessarily because of the way they've treated the region.
I didn't have a PS2 last gen, no need as there were no exclusives that were of any direct interest to me and friends had them so we played on theirs when necessary.
This generation though I had originally planned on getting all three consoles. I have my 360 now and will pick up a Wii at (or near) launch, I really question whether I'll bother with the PS3 now though.
It's more the price, the fact that Sony seem to think they can stick it to Europe (again) just gives it a bit more of an unpleasant flavour, but there is absolutely no way I'm paying launch priuce for a console that I don't see offering anything significant over it's competitors (blu-ray for movie playback is irrelevant and I don't see it getting *that* much specific game use due to the mostly cross-platform nature of games).
The only thing that's going to sway my mind now is if some of the exclusives (Motorstorm? Heavenly Sword?) can persuade me otherwise. Problem is, I *still* won't buy it at full price for those and my interest will probably have waned, in favour of actually finishing some of the games on the other consoles I own, by the time it's at a price-point I'm happy with and by then I'll probably have one eye on next-next-gen too...
Jon,
it doesn't look like you were gonna buy it anyway so i'm not sure your post is of any relevance with the question expletive asked (did anyone change their minds after the latest news?)... But anyway...
it doesn't look like you were gonna buy it anyway so i'm not sure your post is of any relevance with the question expletive asked (did anyone change their minds after the latest news?)... But anyway...
I'm from Europe. I'm upset about the delays but I guess I'm used to it by now.
For me the PS3 is the only choice for primary console for a couple of reasons:
- Playstation is the dominant console by far - which means all your gaming friends and everybody you know have the console you have (good for sharing games, playing together etc).
- Having grown up with Playstation it's got all the key exclusive franchises that I can't do without.
This gen I had a PS2 as the primary console. It had all the games I wanted. I bought an XBOX as well mainly because of the big graphical difference and to try out Live.
For me if I'm going to continue gaming, a PS3 is a must. Ironically because it is now so expensive it means I'm less likely to buy an XBOX 360 until that's a lot cheaper especially now that graphics are not a differentiator anymore.
I think the more salient question would be "Have people, who are haven't decided yet / not sure which console to get, changed their mind?". Consumers who have already made up their mind are less likely to be affected by a for now hypothetical delay. It's the undecided that could be up for grabs by the competitors.
Rumor has it, Japan is getting 50k more than expected. (150,000). If they are making a little more than expected (after they announced lower numbers I mean, 100,000) that would contridict this whole thread wouldnt it? Is there any other site reporting on this news that ken 'supposedly' said 3 weeks ago?
If it's true, then it might just mean they are getting those blue laser dildoes right. And if that means Japan gets a bit more PS3s, then it's all good! And it probably means that between now an March, things will be just fine.
That's IF the report is true of course. 50k more consoles is a whole 50% bump from the initial figure which is a lot.
Maybe it just means they are giving 50k more to Japan at the expense of the US? If so, that's different.
There were no games at or around the launch that particularly interested me. I'm not saying the launch games are bad, but they're certainly not worth €500 to me. So I pretty much decided to wait until more games of interest turn up for the system (e.g. whatever Fumito Ueda is doing next, maybe MGS4, ...).
Now that the European launch has been postponed, I'm actually slightly relieved. We get more impressions / reviews of the hardware and games, will have more games available at launch, and might even get a price drop (probably not
). Also, I won't be tempted to buy one on impulse come Christmas...What Sony really needs to do is just hold off on the launch until they can manufacture enough units to do the world wide launch they had already promised!
Hey, I want my PS3 ASAP. I want it badly. But the truth is that I would rather wait and see a GOOD launch than one where 90% of people wanting to purchase a PS3 are ticked off beyond what we can imagine. Just think what they could do if the PS3 launched world wide lets say six months from now...
They could have more than enough units for everyone.
They could have a KILLER list of launch titles.
They could have everything finalized for Sony Online Network.
They could give launch titles more time to polish their games.
They could build up the anticipation by letting people see their demo units everwhere for months!
I know a lot of people think Sony is dead if they don't launch this holiday season, but I don't think so. I think the PS3 is proving itself to be worth waiting for. Sony might take additional loses but their final launch could be one of the most successful ever for a console!
Hey, I want my PS3 ASAP. I want it badly. But the truth is that I would rather wait and see a GOOD launch than one where 90% of people wanting to purchase a PS3 are ticked off beyond what we can imagine. Just think what they could do if the PS3 launched world wide lets say six months from now...
They could have more than enough units for everyone.
They could have a KILLER list of launch titles.
They could have everything finalized for Sony Online Network.
They could give launch titles more time to polish their games.
They could build up the anticipation by letting people see their demo units everwhere for months!
I know a lot of people think Sony is dead if they don't launch this holiday season, but I don't think so. I think the PS3 is proving itself to be worth waiting for. Sony might take additional loses but their final launch could be one of the most successful ever for a console!
Thank God you don't work for Sony in any senior position then, that business plan would be suicide. A further 6 months worldwide delay would be completely and utterly .... i can't even find a word for it!
As if they need any more suicide attempts!
As if they need any more suicide attempts!
[maven];851315 said:Now that the European launch has been postponed, I'm actually slightly relieved. We get more impressions / reviews of the hardware and games, will have more games available at launch, and might even get a price drop (probably not
That's a great point. By March (or whenever) we'll have reviews on gaming and tech sites, the views of dependable posters on this forum and, who knows, maybe a scooby about the online infrastructure.
I figure I've waited this long, I can wait a little longer. Actually if I'm honest I've been waiting since pre-E3 2005.
As noted above though, I had already made up my mind to get the next generation of playstation so Sony would've had to really tick me off for me to change my mind.
Then again (sorry for the rambling James Joyce-esque stream of consciousness!) I'm wondering what I'd do if the delay was a little longer. If I was getting games of the supposed calibre of Gears every couple of months plus some "filler" between things would be a little different.
And having "demo units" in the shops for a whole 6 months, without releasing the thing wouldn't "tick 90% of the people off"? No, it would tick 100% of them off!!
Really, your posts get more and more bizzarre by the day.
[maven];851315 said:There were no games at or around the launch that particularly interested me. I'm not saying the launch games are bad, but they're certainly not worth €500 to me. So I pretty much decided to wait until more games of interest turn up for the system (e.g. whatever Fumito Ueda is doing next, maybe MGS4, ...).
Now that the European launch has been postponed, I'm actually slightly relieved. We get more impressions / reviews of the hardware and games, will have more games available at launch, and might even get a price drop (probably not
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I want one at launch in 2006, and probably would have picked one up over Xmas on a whim... but the games aren't really that interesting at launch. Now at least the NTSC regions can beta test BluRay for us... not to mention Cell.
Having said that, I've purchased most of my consoles about six months (what I'd call a healthy window) after launch and they've all died/had significant issues within 18 months.
FYI I'm Australian. For some reason that's part of Europe for electronics. I could go to Asia, pick up a PS3 and fly home again by the time it would take me to even land in Europe
OK rant over.
Wait... one other point. A (possibly mid-) 2007 launch for PS3 is bad news. Think of where computer graphics will be at that time vs late 2006. Things do evolve rather quickly in this industry, and that expensive piece of hardware is now a little less cutting edge that a brand-new PC will be at launch.
Possibly a weak point, but it's all perception in the market anyway.
Jon Brittan
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Semi-true, but the question was actually "Has anyone from Europe on this board changed their mind about buying a PS3 because of the way Sony has treated the region?" and not just because of this latest news.
I was fully intending to get one at launch originally and the pricing came after that. As usual, we get to pay a mark up over all the other regions, but that markup given the high price of the console originally pushes it over the "I would purchase" line, combined with the original delay meaning it would no longer be something I could buy to play during the dark nights of winter, but will arrive when the nights are getting long enough to stay out and play football instead means it's too expensive for me to be interested and it's coming at the wrong time for me to be interested.
The price is high worldwide, but we get the brunt of it, combined with the timing, their behaviour towards this region specifically and the lack of percievable (for my needs) benefit puts me off.
So, no, I'm not exactly what Expletive was looking for when he asked the question, but the console *has* gone from a definite buy if it was "standard" price and on time to a definitely not at launch and possibly not at all by their behaviour in general AND their behaviour towards this region.
I'm sure there are plenty of other people (I know enough) to whom none of this would make any difference and will want one on day one.
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