PS2 outselling XBox 360

[elementOfpower]

Test Drive has potential... just as Dead Rising, although its graphics are mediocre IMHO.

Are you talking about Test Drive's graphics or Dead Rising's? Either way I'll have to disagree with you on this one; I think they both are some of the best graphical accomplishments to date. Have you played the Test Drive demo off Xbox Live?

The rest aren't really exeptional games, at least I couldn't care about them at all. But it will take GOW to speed up sales, I guess.

I agree with you. Notice that I said "good titles," not "exceptional." Gears of War will be the next true "exceptional" title that hits the 360, although I'll be purchasing at least a few of the above mentioned games. Dead Rising should be super-cool, and Test Drive is breaking new ground graphically and with gameplay. The online aspect of that game should be loads of fun.

So for me, it's still waiting for the first hw revision and GOW to make a purchase...

You're going to see system sales skyrocket when Gears of War finally comes out. Between that and Halo 3, which will probably hit the market 6-8 months after, Sony definitely has their work cut out for them.

 

[scooby_dooby]

So the $400 Premium pack seems to be too expensive... but why are people not buying the $300 Core? I think the lack of AAA games must also be at play here. What's the next big thing for X360 and when is it coming out? I'm sure that there's something before Gears of War to wait for... or not?

Hmm, not sure what you were expecting. Sales over 300k would be nice, but considering the original PS2, riding the huge success of PS1, only sold 343k in it's first June, 277k is definately pretty decent.

Probably not the numbers MS is looking for though, a pricedrop would certainly help.

 

[Powderkeg]

So you think $100 for a 20gb hdd, $10 upgrade on the controller, $25 remote, $25 headset are reasonable prices to charge? (which is actually what he meant IMHO)...

Doesn't matter, all I said was that the Premium is clearly a better deal than buying those seperately, and most people would want at least a few of those accessories. (And I think he clearly meant the HDD was the only difference)

you're saying 'it's a much better deal' because you're getting '$160 worth for $100' when in fact it's the correct price as those parts are probably only WORTH $100.

"Worth" is an obscure, intangable opinion, and nothing more. An item is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it, and not 1 penny less.

So the core is (frankly) a rip off (as are most of the RRP prices stated above), FTR I think the Premium is the correct product at the correct price, and MS should NEVER have considered 2 skus (tho by all acounts hdd shortages/MS desire to launch first dictated there was no option)

That may be your opinion, but I can assure you that there is more than 1 core owner who thought $400 was a rip off when all they wanted was a basic console and a memory card.

Worth/value is purely a matter of opinion, and your opinion is worth no more than anyone elses. MS offered 2 SKU's because they recognize 2 seperate groups of console gamers. The ultra-tech savy, online gaming, "got to have the best of everything" crowd, and the "I just want to play a game" crowd. Premium is for the former, Core is for the latter.

 

[Powderkeg]

Hmm, not sure what you were expecting. Sales over 300k would be nice, but considering the original PS2, riding the huge success of PS1, only sold 343k in it's first June, 277k is definately pretty decent.

The 360 has only been slightly behind normal PS2 sales since the supply problems were settled.

I don't know why people think that's bad, as the math clearly shows that at it's current rate of sales it will be the #1 console for this generation of systems (At least in the US). The only way the Wii or PS3 could outsell the 360 in the US is if 360 sales have a significant decline from their current level, which I don't see happening.

 

[elementOfpower]

So you think $100 for a 20gb hdd, $10 upgrade on the controller, $25 remote, $25 headset are reasonable prices to charge? (which is actually what he meant IMHO)...

It's not cheap, but neither is buying a memory card, which you will definitely need, along with your core system. Memory units go for 35$+ and obviously don't store nearly as much space as a hard drive. You also can't download game demos and play them off Xbox Live without the hard drive.

Considering a memory card is a necessity to play games, when you factor in the above, you're really getting 19+GB of storage space you wouldn't normally have, a wireless controller, a headset, media remote, free month to Xbox Live membership, wireless controller, etc for around 65$ when you factor out the memory card cost.

 

[TheChefO]

Hmm, not sure what you were expecting. Sales over 300k would be nice, but considering the original PS2, riding the huge success of PS1, only sold 343k in it's first June, 277k is definately pretty decent.

Probably not the numbers MS is looking for though, a pricedrop would certainly help.

I don't think MS should expect much more with the current situation. This fall with the combination of some potential system sellers and a "platinum hits" addition of budget software should help 360 sales tremendusly even without a price drop.

Although I'm sure there are many games out there who are just waiting to see what Sony/Nintendo will bring to the table before they make a decision either way.

 

[goonergaz]

That may be your opinion, but I can assure you that there is more than 1 core owner who thought $400 was a rip off when all they wanted was a basic console and a memory card.

anyone that thinks they 'saved' $65 (the cost of one game roughly) are way off the mark and only thinking short term (unless they never has plans for BC or online play of course).

the core is a false economy, that's a fact - not an opinion!

 

[goonergaz]

It's not cheap, but neither is buying a memory card, which you will definitely need, along with your core system. Memory units go for 35$+ and obviously don't store nearly as much space as a hard drive. You also can't download game demos and play them off Xbox Live without the hard drive.

Considering a memory card is a necessity to play games, when you factor in the above, you're really getting 19+GB of storage space you wouldn't normally have, a wireless controller, a headset, media remote, free month to Xbox Live membership, wireless controller, etc for around 65$ when you factor out the memory card cost.

I don't quite get your point as this looks like what I was trying to say!? lol

 

[expletive]

anyone that thinks they 'saved' $65 (the cost of one game roughly) are way off the mark and only thinking short term (unless they never has plans for BC or online play of course).

the core is a false economy, that's a fact - not an opinion!

Actually, its only a false economy for a certain set of consumers. However, for someone who just wants to play Halo 3 in March, its cheaper and lowers the price of entry by $65.

 

[Sis]

the xb360 has recently had a price cut here in nz (its not selling well) surprising since nz + austrailia was one of the xbox1 best performing markets globally, xb360 had a good launch but the momentum has gone out over the last few months, worring signs for ms esp with november rapidly approaching

What kind of price cut was it? 10%? 20? And is it an official cut, or are retailers just selling it for cheaper?

 

[goonergaz]

Actually, its only a false economy for a certain set of consumers. However, for someone who just wants to play Halo 3 in March, its cheaper.

obviously not a false econemy for everyone, but I would say many will buy the core and then (for example) buy the HDD add-on. I find it hard to believe that people buying the console today (early adoptors) are happy to 'save' $65 and sacrifice so much - online (well a chunk of it), wireless, BC and the nice silver tray!! LOL

 

[elementOfpower]

It would be hard for me to do without the peripherals I got with the premium. I don't use the headset or the remote, but the hard drive and wireless controller I love. I'd hate not to be able to download game demos to test out certain games before I drop 40-60$ on them. In the long run, buying a HDD for that purpose could save you money.

 

[scooby_dooby]

unless they never has plans for BC or online play of course

Which could be anywhere from 50%-90% of the userbase.

Last year XBOX had aproxx 10% on Live!, so far X360 has ~50% on Live, although the majority of those are likely not Gold Members and don't play online games anyways.

But to answer the original question why aren't people buying the Core? Simple. Because MS has purposefully setup the pricing structure to discourage anyone from buying the core....for now.

ALso, for game lineups, Saint's Row is shaping up VERY nicely, you guys should check the multiplayer modes, sounds very fun.

 

[Laa-Yosh]

Are you talking about Test Drive's graphics or Dead Rising's?

Dead Rising. Apart from being able to display lots of zombies, there's nothing impressive neither art nor technology wise.

And 'good enough' games won't help to sell more Xboxes; they're a nice thing to have once you're done with the system sellers, but first the 360 needs such a game to get into people's living room.
Right now there are only a few games that could make someone to want an X360 - unlike back then, where there was a Halo from day 1. Whereas there's all the system sellers from the past 5 years for the PS2, which might not look pretty, but altogether they're still more tempting for many then what Microsoft has to offer. At the moment.

 

[Laa-Yosh]

Hmm, not sure what you were expecting. Sales over 300k would be nice, but considering the original PS2, riding the huge success of PS1, only sold 343k in it's first June, 277k is definately pretty decent.

Probably not the numbers MS is looking for though, a pricedrop would certainly help.

They need to sell about a million per month to make it to 10 million units at the end of the year. I have a bet, you know, and I'd like to get the pack of beer instead of paying for it

 

[scooby_dooby]

They need to sell about a million per month to make it to 10 million units at the end of the year. I have a bet, you know, and I'd like to get the pack of beer instead of paying for it

Well I think you can count on 3million or so in Nov/Dec worldwide. Depending on who you believe they've sold 4million so far.
www.nexgenwars.com (these are the only guys I know tracking WW sales, I don't know how reliable they are)

So, they need to move aprox. 3million in the next 4 months....about 700k/month worldwide, probably not gonna happen.

Of course, MS could easily drop the price $100 and reprice the peripherals for a huge boost in sales.

 

[TheChefO]

Well I think you can count on 3million or so in Nov/Dec worldwide. Depending on who you believe they've sold 4million so far.
www.nexgenwars.com (these are the only guys I know tracking WW sales, I don't know how reliable they are)

So, they need to move aprox. 3million in the next 4 months....about 700k/month worldwide, probably not gonna happen.

Of course, MS could easily drop the price $100 and reprice the peripherals for a huge boost in sales.

While they may have said "10 million sold" I think what they meant is 10 million shipped as this is also the measure Sony uses. With that in mind I think they will have no problem meeting this goal as a month ago they were at the 5.5 mark.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Well I think you can count on 3million or so in Nov/Dec worldwide. Depending on who you believe they've sold 4million so far.
www.nexgenwars.com (these are the only guys I know tracking WW sales, I don't know how reliable they are)

I was wondering what sales to date were like. I assumed they'd missed the 5 million by June target because there hadn't been a press release!

Edit : Of course, that 5 million is shipped, not sold...

 

[expletive]

With that in mind I think they will have no problem meeting this goal as a month ago they were at the 5.5 mark.

What's the source on this info?

 

[TheChefO]

What's the source on this info?

I thought this was common knowledge? Didn't MS announce a month ago that they were going to come in at the high end of their predicted range of shipped units?