Peter Moore on a worldwide launch
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scooby_dooby
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I'd be willing to bet hard money that it does not launch EARLIER than those dates.Powderkeg said:
However, I would not be completely surprised to see the whole thing pushed back.
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Quick question...
Is Sony actually making the drives, because I thought they got out of the optical drive business. I remember something on cdfreaks a long time ago, saying they were rebranding lite-on/pioneer drives for their current cdr/dvdr drives.
EDIT: Went to cdfreaks to take a look at some stuff, and the Sony dru-810a, is apparently a BenQ. So if Sony follows suit with BD-ROMS like they have for their current optical drives, they may be at the whim of MFRs. like BenQ, who as mentioned in another thread MIGHT have a delay due to bd-rom+ or whatever they are/were having an issue with.
Is Sony actually making the drives, because I thought they got out of the optical drive business. I remember something on cdfreaks a long time ago, saying they were rebranding lite-on/pioneer drives for their current cdr/dvdr drives.
EDIT: Went to cdfreaks to take a look at some stuff, and the Sony dru-810a, is apparently a BenQ. So if Sony follows suit with BD-ROMS like they have for their current optical drives, they may be at the whim of MFRs. like BenQ, who as mentioned in another thread MIGHT have a delay due to bd-rom+ or whatever they are/were having an issue with.
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Sony do make the blue laser diodes though AFAIK, and I imagine thats the key limiting factor.NucNavST3 said:
Shifty Geezer said:
Hmm, I didn't think they made any of the components, hence the reason for outsourcing, if you come across something though Shifty, could you post a link or PM me, thanks.
I also wonder why we haven't heard any other mfr. mention any issues with BD, other than BenQ.
scooby_dooby
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Except that MS has already confirmed yearly price cuts.
Joe DeFuria
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scooby_dooby said:
Actually, MS hasn't. IIRC MS has stated that they will have continuous / yearly cost reductions, which has been improperly reported as price reductions. That being said, price reductions should indeed occur on some regular basis...just as they always do for every console.
Powderkeg said:
still fourhundredbloodydollars dammit!
*broke*
After a couple of minutes GooglingNucNavST3 said:
http://www.compoundsemiconductor.net/articles/news/8/9/18/1
Powderkeg said:
But thats not the whole picture. If ps3 games are 50-60$ then it would cost you 500-520$ for the p3 vs 400$ for the xbox 360. That is a 100-120$ less .
Then what do you save games on with the ps3 ? A memory card or another media type , factor in 20$ and your at 520-540$ huge price diffrence right there for 2 games and the system .
Or the core system . 300$ with 2 games + 1 memory card for 20$ and your at 320$ vs 520-540$ for the ps3 .
Either way you cut it the xbox 360 will be the better deal and that core system will look like a very good value for someone who wold normaly buy a console at the 200-300$ price point
That's the other reason why a bundle is more attractive than a price cut for MS.
They could bundle is a couple of games and it probably wouldn't cost them more than $20 or so to do it. Cutting the price by $50 would cost them an additional $30 per unit compared to a game bundle.
And to the consumer, it looks like they are saving a minimum of $100 by purchasing a 360 instead of the PS3. It's a win-win for MS, because they are minimizing their own costs, while offering the most attractive option to consumers.
They could bundle is a couple of games and it probably wouldn't cost them more than $20 or so to do it. Cutting the price by $50 would cost them an additional $30 per unit compared to a game bundle.
And to the consumer, it looks like they are saving a minimum of $100 by purchasing a 360 instead of the PS3. It's a win-win for MS, because they are minimizing their own costs, while offering the most attractive option to consumers.
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jvd said:
jvd if you think MS will just throw money away like that then you will be horribly disappointed. MS are in this business to make money and there's no way they will let Sony sell the PS3 at that price and offer the two games in the Xbox 360 at a much cheaper price.I love the comedy though. I needed a laugh for the day. Thanks.
mckmas8808 said:
I love the comedy though. I needed a laugh for the day. Thanks.
He's not saying that the 360 will have a game bundle and a much cheaper price. He is saying this.
360 premium with 2 game bundle = $400
PS3 (Assumed price) = $400
2 games @ $50 each = $100
Memory Card = $20
Total = $520
Or drop the totals by $100 each if it's a $300 PS3 compared to the core 360.
And yes, MS would do that.
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jvd said:
Look guys resulting to calling people trolls when they don't agree with you is really starting to get childish. We are all adults (most of us) here.
I can say that in 2007 when the PS3 starts to use 65nm tech they could bundle GT5, a 128 MB Pro Duo stick,and an eyetoy in the PS3 to compete with that Xbox 360 bundle. Who wouldn't like that?
You can say that .
However its obvious that you don't read threads and say whatever you want as you would know that i didn't claim the game bundle. My first figures where factoring only a 50$ price drop which will come at a year after launch .
I also included numbers with someone clamiing 2 free games instead of a price cut . I also included numbers with no price cut but only 2 platnium choice games which many launch games of decent quality (like kameo) will be a year later .
Its obvious that you didn't take the time to read the thread and only wanted to take a pot shot at my numbers because otherwise you would have seen i covered all 3 major scenarios
However its obvious that you don't read threads and say whatever you want as you would know that i didn't claim the game bundle. My first figures where factoring only a 50$ price drop which will come at a year after launch .
I also included numbers with someone clamiing 2 free games instead of a price cut . I also included numbers with no price cut but only 2 platnium choice games which many launch games of decent quality (like kameo) will be a year later .
Its obvious that you didn't take the time to read the thread and only wanted to take a pot shot at my numbers because otherwise you would have seen i covered all 3 major scenarios
mckmas8808 said:
An adult would read the whole posts, and any previous ones that relate to it, and made sure they understood the point before calling it wrong.
After a year, obviously there will be some reduction in manufacturing costs for MS, so they could afford a price drop or game bundle if they wanted to. Furthermore, they could bundle 2 platinum hits, and both games combined would only cost MS an additional $20 or less, so from MS's point of view a 2 game bundle a year from now would cost them about the same as the system does now.
Since there wouldn't be a significant difference in production costs, they could offer it at the same price as now.
And there is no logical reason not to accept this scenario, since it is precisely what MS has been doing for the past 3 years.
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Powderkeg said:
I'm not questioning will it ever happen. I'm questioning at what time frame would they do that. Would they offer the bundle so early? Or are they gonna wait awhile to over such a bundle. I'm thinking they would want to maximize profits that's all.
mckmas8808 said:
As i've said there are many choices they have . I gave the most likely one a 50$ price drop to both units . Esp since we know that the add in remote is a limited time only thing with the premium package (i.e launch units ) that plus a year of production will give them wiggle room for price drops .
I'm also giving sony a bit of leway so to speak as I really doubt they will come in at 400$ as they have a larger tranistor count , more expensive ram and a next gen optical format along with many more inputs and outputs . So i'm assuming it will come in at 400$ . I don't see them droping in at 300$ as i believe they will loose way to much money to offset it with software sales . But if they would then ms would drop the price to be competitive i.e premium at 300$ and core at 200$ . Which i don't think ms can do and i highly doubt sony can go under 400$ .
So we have
1) a price drop and platinum titles a year after launch when most of us agree the ps3 will launch in october / novemember of 2006 in usa and europe.
2) a bundle (which i'm not too sure on) of 1 -2 games and staying at the same price
3) they can do a bundle with the premium system and no bundle with the core. Or mabye 2 games with the premium and 1 game with the core and a slight drop on the core to 250$
4) They stay the same price. However there will be million unit sellers and lets face it kameo and pdz along with other launch titles will be droping in price as budget titles as the newer big holiday games of 2006 start launching . We may even see price drops on gears of wars and other games from the begining of 2006 .
These are the 4 most likely things i see happening . Which i believe 1 being most likely and then 2 .
I don't see why your trying to say there wont be platnium games a year later. I'm going to go out on a limb and say
pdz , kameo , cod , pgr 3 will all be over 1million units sold by next year sept (and i really don't think its going out on a limb) and there will be most likely many more for the launch period like oblivion and other games .
Now i'm sure we will be talking about x mass 2006 titles around then but that doesn't change the fact that there is quality software from the xbox 360s earlier launch that will still be good quality games and low in price for people who just want to game . Just look at it this way . Lets just say that ms does have platnium titles (don't see why they wouldnt) at ps3 launch and both consoles cost the same. However for the price of software u can buy 2 ps2 games at 50$ each that is 100$ or 5 xbox 360 platnium titles at 20$ each. If ps3 games are 60$ then that be 120$ or 6 xbox 360 games .
As you can see there is alot more to system cost than just the system price tag and launching first allows you to put out software and lower the cost of the software before the competition comes onto the scene
