Onimusha 3, Shadow Hearts II and FF X-2 I+L

passerby said:
And it has triggered me to place an order of SH1 to know more about the previous history/story.
I played the first, and felt that it was just OK. A 7/10 at most. *Maybe* just a 6/10. From what I know Aruze had a team of over 70 for SH2 after an acquisition - can't remember whether they were acquired or they acquired another studio. Anyway from some discussions I can get off Gamefaqs the sequel is significantly better.

I clocked around 80 hours on the game already.

I don't know about the first yet as I have skipped it before. I will know how it compares later when I received my copy from Japan, ha ha !

passerby said:
Do you know anything about SD Gundam Generation Seed? I'm on the fence with this as well. Wondering whether I should wait till May for SRW:MX.

I have never been into the Gundum world, so don't know. My Gundums are with me because they are robot battle games. Heh !

But I may get SRW:MX just for the sake of the mech and robots.
 
BTW, Ghost in the shell SAC has been released but I am still considering if I should get it.
I'm sure you already have the latest issue of Dengeki PS2 - they do very nice reviews. The reviewers feel that it is a good game, but difficult. Nearly all of them mentioned about some difficulty with controlling the camera with the right stick, which caused some unnecessary game-overs.
 
passerby said:
BTW, Ghost in the shell SAC has been released but I am still considering if I should get it.
I'm sure you already have the latest issue of Dengeki PS2 - they do very nice reviews. The reviewers feel that it is a good game, but difficult. Nearly all of them mentioned about some difficulty with controlling the camera with the right stick, which caused some unnecessary game-overs.

Yes, it is difficult in controlling the camera and aiming, I have to agree with them. I have got the game today. Not an enjoyable experience.
 
Maskrider, can you provide some background on the SH2 story, like the characters and when it takes place. From what I understand, it takes place during WWI following the events in the first game and that the first game's main character (Yuri) makes an appearance along with an "Anastasia." Given that the previous games have drawn upon historical characters (Mati Hari and Roger Bacon), is this the same Anastasia?

Also, I highly recommend the original Shadow Hearts. I actually liked it more than FFX, despite the game being much more primitive graphically. You might also want to try Koudelka on the PS1.
 
ban25 said:
Maskrider, can you provide some background on the SH2 story, like the characters and when it takes place. From what I understand, it takes place during WWI following the events in the first game and that the first game's main character (Yuri) makes an appearance along with an "Anastasia." Given that the previous games have drawn upon historical characters (Mati Hari and Roger Bacon), is this the same Anastasia?

Also, I highly recommend the original Shadow Hearts. I actually liked it more than FFX, despite the game being much more primitive graphically. You might also want to try Koudelka on the PS1.

SH2 is in the year 1915, Roger Bacon is there. Not sure if this Anastasia is the same one as before. The main character is called Uru (Urmnaf Bort Hyuga), from what I've read on GameFAQs, SH2 is 6 months after SH1.

I have ordered SH (The best version), Koudelka is hard to find locally, I will need to go to Japan to buy it.
 
maskrider said:
SH2 is in the year 1915, Roger Bacon is there. Not sure if this Anastasia is the same one as before. The main character is called Uru (Urmnaf Bort Hyuga), from what I've read on GameFAQs, SH2 is 6 months after SH1.

I have ordered SH (The best version), Koudelka is hard to find locally, I will need to go to Japan to buy it.

Is there a special version of SH? I've only played the NA version published by Midway.

Thanks for making those screen captures. Looking through them, I see Alice Elliot appears in the game. Are those flashbacks (there are two endings to the first game, surrounding her fate)?
 
ban25 said:
maskrider said:
SH2 is in the year 1915, Roger Bacon is there. Not sure if this Anastasia is the same one as before. The main character is called Uru (Urmnaf Bort Hyuga), from what I've read on GameFAQs, SH2 is 6 months after SH1.

I have ordered SH (The best version), Koudelka is hard to find locally, I will need to go to Japan to buy it.

Is there a special version of SH? I've only played the NA version published by Midway.

Thanks for making those screen captures. Looking through them, I see Alice Elliot appears in the game. Are those flashbacks (there are two endings to the first game, surrounding her fate)?

Japanese "PlayStation the best" version is like Europe "Platinum edition", just a cheapo re-released version of the game. But this one has a bundled DVD.

If you are going to play the game, I don't want to spoil your fun. She appears only in a few non-interactive scenes.
 
maskrider said:
Japanese "PlayStation the best" version is like Europe "Platinum edition", just a cheapo re-released version of the game. But this one has a bundled DVD.

If you are going to play the game, I don't want to spoil your fun. She appears only in a few non-interactive scenes.

Ah, ok. I hope it will be localized soon. I might have to replay the first game in the meantime...
 
ban25 said:
maskrider said:
Japanese "PlayStation the best" version is like Europe "Platinum edition", just a cheapo re-released version of the game. But this one has a bundled DVD.

If you are going to play the game, I don't want to spoil your fun. She appears only in a few non-interactive scenes.

Ah, ok. I hope it will be localized soon. I might have to replay the first game in the meantime...

By pure luck, I have acquired a 2nd hand copy of Koudelka today, together with a brand new Star Ocean - The Second Story. Heh !
 
maskrider said:
And for Shadow Hearts II, I have taken 300+ images (which definitely contain spoilers), you can see them if you are interested

http://www.felixmcli.org/shII/
Just noticed the "Install" button on the main menu - finally my HDD is going to see some use again. I placed the order via Lik-Sang, opting for free shipping(me = cheapo), so it'll take a bit longer, maybe end of this week.

So now you have tried some of SH1, feel anything about the massive improvements SH2 has? I hope it's substantial, since I placed my order...
 
passerby said:
maskrider said:
And for Shadow Hearts II, I have taken 300+ images (which definitely contain spoilers), you can see them if you are interested

http://www.felixmcli.org/shII/
Just noticed the "Install" button on the main menu - finally my HDD is going to see some use again. I placed the order via Lik-Sang, opting for free shipping(me = cheapo), so it'll take a bit longer, maybe end of this week.

So now you have tried some of SH1, feel anything about the massive improvements SH2 has? I hope it's substantial, since I placed my order...

Heh ! My SH1 has not yet come. So don't know. Still waiting for it and PSO I&II for GC.
 
maskrider said:
By pure luck, I have acquired a 2nd hand copy of Koudelka today, together with a brand new Star Ocean - The Second Story. Heh !

Let me know what you think about that because I've had the opportunity to pick it up several times, but have avoided doing so because I've heard mixed reports. Apparently, the battle system in particular is not that good. From the descriptions, it sounds similar to Parasite Eve, which would make sense considering Koudelka/SH/SH2(?) are by the same people behind that game.
 
ban25 said:
maskrider said:
By pure luck, I have acquired a 2nd hand copy of Koudelka today, together with a brand new Star Ocean - The Second Story. Heh !

Let me know what you think about that because I've had the opportunity to pick it up several times, but have avoided doing so because I've heard mixed reports. Apparently, the battle system in particular is not that good. From the descriptions, it sounds similar to Parasite Eve, which would make sense considering Koudelka/SH/SH2(?) are by the same people behind that game.

Heh ! I thought you have played it before. :D

It is like the first PE. You can take the turns to move on the tiles (division of the floor) that you can reach and do range attack or close attack depend on the weapon you are holding.

Me got bored after a few fights as I simply couldn't get into an old RPG with so outdated graphics. :LOL:
 
maskrider said:
ban25 said:
maskrider said:
Heh ! I thought you have played it before. :D

It is like the first PE. You can take the turns to move on the tiles (division of the floor) that you can reach and do range attack or close attack depend on the weapon you are holding.

Me got bored after a few fights as I simply couldn't get into an old RPG with so outdated graphics. :LOL:

Heh, yeah I thought so. You should probably be warned that SH1 is closer graphically to FF9 than FF10. The player characters are more detailed, obviously, but it still uses the prerendered backgrounds of PS1 RPGs as well as the 3D battle system (with simple, minimally textured environments). However, it certainly does look a lot better than at least the screenshots of Koudelka, so I don't think it will be an issue (wasn't for me, anyway). In terms of gameplay, it's obviously closer to SH2, with the standard three-in-a-line turn-based combat (and judgement wheel).
 
Just 8 hours into SH2, impressions -

1) It's one of the better-looking "fully-3D" PS2 RPG currently.

2) Music is much improved. The 1st experimented with more "foreign" and perhaps "original" styles, but remained so-so.

3) Improvements to the combat system are vast, making SH2 seem like coming from a totally different universe from the 1st. In fact, I find the new combo system makes it one of the most enjoyable combat system this generation of RPGs.

4) Map design is also greatly improved. Exploring dungeons and various locales is quite enjoyable.

5) Improved production quality all around, including story, setting, mood, voice-overs for characters, cinematic cutscenes, etc.

6) It has acquired a flavour of its own - a respectable accomplishment. Mixing seriousness and humour together very well, like the "Slayers", "Inuyasha", etc.

7) Fusion system is improved to make it less difficult and repetitive to acquire fusions. The 1st required the defeat of specific element-aligned enemies to earn soulenergy for that element. SH2 unifies all soulenery to be used for all fusions.

8) Judgement ring customization in the 1st was poor. Customizations are wasted once characters upgrade their weapons(I think, can't remember). Now characters' JRs remain with them regardless of the weapon and are also customizable, adding more interesting statistics to fiddle with.


One complaint:
Gamers may find themselves investing in fusion forms that aren't useful for various stretches of the game - for hours of play enemies which are vulnerable to the invested fusions just don't appear, while bosses that aren't do! The only way to be "sure" is to invest in all fusions in preparation for any encounters. However this will involve a lot of repetitive combat.

My solution is of course, to have the latest issue of Dengeki Playstation beside me so I know which fusion to invest in and when. :devilish: Hey, this really saves a lot of time and repetitive fighting.



Summary
Besides the one complaint, SH2 is shaping up to be an enjoyable experience so far. If this quality continues, I'll have to rate this title among the best RPGs this generation.
 
The graphics is very good, I would say it is better than FF X. The complexity of the dungeons are just right IMHO.

I am playing my 3rd playthrough, and already on disc 2. I have also replayed many part of the 2nd playthrough to get most of the unlockable stuffs.

I am aiming to unlock everything on my 3rd playthrough, and tried to record down everything that may relate to the endings.

I lost count on the hours but I think I have spent at least 120 hours on it.

In the same screenshots directory, there are a lot (really a lot) of the screenshots of the items, characters, costumes, fusions, quiz, loading screens, startup screens, ..., really quite a lot. And scans of the game guides.

Ninja Gaiden has interrupted it for a while (finished NG 1.8 times), spent around 40 hours on NG.
 
I have failed to unlock everything in my 3rd play through, ha ha ha ! I am playing my 4th play through from scratch again.

Received SH I today, comparing SH II to SH I, the difference is absolutely significant.

SH I is like a PS 1.5 game, SH II is a PS2 game. Even the animation in the FMV has improved a whole lot, let alone graphics.

SH I uses low resolution pre-rendered background. SH II is fully 3D and detailed. You will immediately see the difference in the detail of the character 3D models.

SH I
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SH II
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what does SH stand for? I just can't figur it out... :oops:

oh and when are you guys in England getting new FFX-2s? My import is still on hold since it's apparently still sold out in the UK!!! :oops:

:D
 
ack! how embarrassing! :oops: For some reason, I kept reading Silent Hill... duh! Thanks oi! :D
 
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