Old Discussion Thread for all 3 motion controllers

[patsu]

mmm. Well, you can make some guesses.

There are adaptive algorithms also, but they won't be able to adapt to sudden/unexpected noise (visiting guests all talk at the same time).

That sports champions video really demonstrates how difficult it is to get an intuitive game mechanic from a motion control system. The number of on screen prompts and help/option dialogs was pretty mad, although the pointing seemed to work well.

It'll be especially difficult for titles like that to distinguish themselves from Wii software. I wouldn't expect many people could see a difference.

Yap ! May be they go with the "adult" look to differentiate from Wii's kiddy look. I for one prefer the cuter, kiddy look. Consumers at large most likely don't care.

The Move Party demo at the end was clearly more enjoyable for the people playing. The simpler actions with clearer directions, more intuitive goals and the 'novel' virtual mirror interface clearly help enormously. Less abstraction, less confusion, more fun.

*nod* *nod* The simpler the better.
The best case is probably those games that are easy to pickup, yet take time to master.

That's why I like the table tennis game in Wii Sports Resort. Dancing is another obvious one.

EDIT:

That rafting/ricochet video is rather hilarious. There is no way any system could track them

Most of the time it shouldn't matter, but I'd love to see where PS Move breaks down. Those high res, high frequency specs look good on paper. It's difficult to internalize just how fast (or slow) they can track accurately.

 

[patsu]

Wired has an article on Natal too:
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-06/1/project-natal-can't-impress-a-hardcore-gamer?page=all

Haven't read it myself yet. Got to leave soon.

 

[patsu]

http://kotaku.com/5555950/get-your-project-natal-justin-bieber-fixes-simultaneously

Attention, Xbox 360 fans with an incurable case of Bieber Fever! The Tiger Beat coverboy and teenage pop star is buddying up with his friends at Microsoft to bring you hands-on time with Project Natal this fall.

Xbox 360 is underwriting the Bieb's "My World" tour this fall, which will be schlepping Project Natal playable kiosks across the United States and Canada, giving you a chance to fawn over Justin and (maybe) play Joy Ride with your hands and feet.

 

[jonabbey]

I think the big news here is that Microsoft PR is getting Natal in front of a wide audience of media folk ahead of E3, whereas Sony appears not to be.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Well, that isn't particularly new news. Microsoft have been showing off Natal at various media events for a while now.

What is new is that with that kotaku link, it appears they are now going to start letting the general public get some hands on with it also.

Regards,
SB

 

[patsu]

I saw Justin Bieber's posters for sales. Seems like a hot property. ^_^

 

[gongo]

MS keep showing the same Natal "Balls" gameplay test vids......from a gamer's perspective it looks so silly...*sigh*...like it or not (i dont) but...Natal is going to be a big hit with the moms....casual gaming is casual gaming...makes big dollars and news...NDS, Wii, iPhones...MS is wanting part of the pie. That is what we know will happen.

 

[dragonelite]

I saw Justin Bieber's posters for sales. Seems like a hot property. ^_^

now if Justin Bieber say its awesome.
Then the big horde of 12~13 year old girls will buy it....

 

[patsu]

Well... MS may have a girlie app for Natal. We haven't seen all yet.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Well... MS may have a girlie app for Natal. We haven't seen all yet.

I was thinking Japanese dating sim where Natal could track where your eyes are looking when you said that...

But, uh...that would be for boys...

Regards,
SB

 

[patsu]

Natal can't track eye movement. (Too small/subtle, considering that it can't generate the skeleton for individual fingers)

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Good thing too or else a lot of gamers would get virtually slapped in those supposed dating sims.

Regards,
SB

 

[dragonelite]

Natal can't track eye movement. (Too small/subtle, considering that it can't generate the skeleton for individual fingers)

It has a RGB camera they can probably use for tracking eye pupils.
And for the girls do some kind of dancing game or fashing stuff where they can dress themselfes with their in game created fashion pieces.


Inbe4 wii fital sensor for dating sims in japan higher heart rate staring at digital boobs or in extreme cases watching under their skirts.

 

[JB9861]

http://kotaku.com/5555950/get-your-project-natal-justin-bieber-fixes-simultaneously

But I only want the Natal fix....

 

[rabidrabbit]

I hadn't even heard of Justin Bieber before reading about him here
Guess that just proves how old I am...

 

[patsu]

It has a RGB camera they can probably use for tracking eye pupils.
And for the girls do some kind of dancing game or fashing stuff where they can dress themselfes with their in game created fashion pieces.

It's not a question of whether Natal can see color or IR. The user needs to be very very close to the screen for the camera to identify the pupils. It would not know where the user is focusing on too (Only a very rough guesstimate). Tracking pupils accurately requires specialized state of the art equipments (e.g., for measuring whether the user is looking at a banner advertisement).

 

[Shifty Geezer]

It has a RGB camera they can probably use for tracking eye pupils.

The eyes will only be a few pixels in size, and the amount the pupil moves to look at different parts of the screen will be tiny. I don't think eye-tracking will be possible at distance.

 

[patsu]

Ok so while checking out 3DTVs, my family stopped by a Wii to mess around, my wife decided to use her mileage points to get a Wii right after that. :-O

I am very impressed because I know how many gadgets have died trying to get her attention. This one closed the deal in one game.

A lot has been said about Nintendo's strategies, luck, and what have you, the thing is WiiSports Resort is a superb title. It's like the Zelda/Half Life/LBP/Uncharted 2/<insert your favorite game> for casuals.

Nintendo's games is what sealed the deal. That is all.

 

[Arwin]

Yes, this is why Sony has it's Wii Sports equivalent and Wii Play equivalent. It's become sort of a base requirement - people would never part from their Wii without it. I presume MS will have at least the same.

Which activity/activities did she try?

 

[patsu]

We tried bowling, wakeboarding, table tennis and cycling. I walked away to check out the 3DTVs halfway, don't know what else she played.

I am not sure if Sports Championship and The Shoot can compete with Wii Sports Resort's breadth and depth. Will have to see (Sony's taking a big risk here). Everyone will basically judge PS Move with their Wiimote and Wiimote+ experiences. For Wii Sports Resort, I can tell a lot of thoughts went into fine tuning, pacing, taking care of the gamers, and making the game cute and "deep". ^_^