OK, enough talk, now it's time to 'Rock The Vote'
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They could manage to steam game and movie trailers without a HDD, and load small games to ram so you can play chess or whatever with people on your friends list as well as voice messageing and such all stored server side. I suppose it is a time will tell thing.
My big curiousity is how much work they are putting into backwards compatablity. If I can play Halo2 online at 720p with AA and AF cranked then they have sold me a console.
My big curiousity is how much work they are putting into backwards compatablity. If I can play Halo2 online at 720p with AA and AF cranked then they have sold me a console.
rabidrabbit said:
that is the only logical solution, for example no Oblivion without HDD
Dunno, but they (Peter Moore I think) said they wanted a $300 unit for the 'more price sensitive European market'. We're just a bunch of skinflints I guessUncle said:
mckmas8808
Legend
Didn't Peter Moore work for a company that put out 4 different versions of the Sega Genesis. How did that work smart man.
A. Sega Genesis
B. Sega 32X
C. Sega CD
D. Sega 32X + Sega CD
I don't remember gamers loving this idea. Do you guys?
A. Sega Genesis
B. Sega 32X
C. Sega CD
D. Sega 32X + Sega CD
I don't remember gamers loving this idea. Do you guys?
Man, there's so much nonsense going all over gaming age and here abotu the harddrive and pricing. People need to sit back and think about this before running aout and screaming it's a bad idea.
1. So called "splitting of the fan base". There won't be spliting of the fan base at all. it won't be like Ps2 where some games required a hard drive, while others do not. The hard drive on 360 is treated like a really HUGE memory card.It's for storing content, save games, custom sound tracks etc. A memory card can do the same thing if it's big enough. This is NO different then saying a game must work without a memory card insterted (which every game today does btw!)
2. This should NOT be a big suprise to 360 developers. They were ALL told a VERy long time ago to not expect the hard drive to be attached, and that games must work without the hard drive attached. Again, this is NO different then saying a game must work without a memory card insterted (which every game today does btw!)
3. You don't necessarily need mass storage for a MMORPG. any decent MMO game will store all the important information on the server/database side to prevent hacking. I know people are thinking but FFXI required a hard drive on the PS2. However is that becuase the game could be FULLY installed in the PC sense to the hard drive? really there no need for that on a console. If you want to have patches downloaded that fix bugs, that's perfectly fine and shouldn't be very large. Adding additional content could be large enough for a hard drive, but certainly not required.
1. So called "splitting of the fan base". There won't be spliting of the fan base at all. it won't be like Ps2 where some games required a hard drive, while others do not. The hard drive on 360 is treated like a really HUGE memory card.It's for storing content, save games, custom sound tracks etc. A memory card can do the same thing if it's big enough. This is NO different then saying a game must work without a memory card insterted (which every game today does btw!)
2. This should NOT be a big suprise to 360 developers. They were ALL told a VERy long time ago to not expect the hard drive to be attached, and that games must work without the hard drive attached. Again, this is NO different then saying a game must work without a memory card insterted (which every game today does btw!)
3. You don't necessarily need mass storage for a MMORPG. any decent MMO game will store all the important information on the server/database side to prevent hacking. I know people are thinking but FFXI required a hard drive on the PS2. However is that becuase the game could be FULLY installed in the PC sense to the hard drive? really there no need for that on a console. If you want to have patches downloaded that fix bugs, that's perfectly fine and shouldn't be very large. Adding additional content could be large enough for a hard drive, but certainly not required.
FFXI has had a couple of large "patches" or world extensions to be more correct.
These kind of updates would not be possible without a HD, right?
The xbox360 FFXI will ship with these extensions already on game disk. I guess FFXI world is now "complete" and no more such extensions are to be expected.
Also all mmorpg games for next gen consoles should ship as "complete" and no world extensions are to be expected. I guess that will make the game worlds not as evolving than what the mmorpg players are expecting today, and maybe smaller worlds or longer developing times.
These kind of updates would not be possible without a HD, right?
The xbox360 FFXI will ship with these extensions already on game disk. I guess FFXI world is now "complete" and no more such extensions are to be expected.
Also all mmorpg games for next gen consoles should ship as "complete" and no world extensions are to be expected. I guess that will make the game worlds not as evolving than what the mmorpg players are expecting today, and maybe smaller worlds or longer developing times.
If it were only used like that then fine, but we're hearing of games that, seemingly, use it for more than just save games. And personally I think that's a waste of a resource. It could be so much more than just a big memory card (and BTW I share save games going round friend's houses, and a little memcard/memstick is a nicer solution for that) and we had hopes it would be used as such. Yes, we hear devs were told that they shouldn't rely on the HDD, but we were also hearing devs saying PS3 needed an HDD like XB360.Qroach said:
I do think the $400 is good VFM, and probably the $300 is too for those that don't want a faceplate and headset etc. It's just a shame that the HDD isn't going to contribute to the gaming potential of the machine as it could have, as we hoped it would have.
deathstar121
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HDD $100, Controller $50, Memory card $40, there S video cable is $30, who at MS is making these prices these are some of the most ridiculous prices, I can find a decent 20gig 2.5" HDD for just over $75, Nintendo's wavebird is only is $34.99, the memory is acceptable but still, S video cables go for $8.99 generic and $19.99 for the best one that's if you look in the right places, I live in NYC so i know where to look for good prices, but MS is gonna rip us off until PS3 comes out, that's why I gonna wait for PS3 and Nrev to launch.
PC-Engine said:
At least there's no mention of that in the MS site:
Adding content via patches for mmorpg's has been the standard since what feels like forever. If you told any current mmo gamer today that 'Sorry sir, no patches for you', it'd most likely be seen as a bad joke. However, those who play mmorpg's today and those who will buy next-gen consoles does not have to be the same people. Your average console gamer might just be happy playing his online GTA without added monthly content. So even if it sounds like blasphemy for alot of people to not have huge content updates, I'm not sure if it matters.
Hey, I went to Keele! It's a small world after all!
rabidrabbit said:But is this really any different to MS selling the xbox1 as the only "internet ready" console out of the box, that being a major advantage over competitors, when in reality you had to buy the "Live kit" to be able to do anything with the ethernet port.
Don't remember many complaining then.. I did but i was soon called a Sony funboy then
You yourself admitted did, there were complain.
Anyway,
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/e32005/20050516-pressbriefing-news.htm
Powering Xbox 360 Games and Entertainment
Xbox 360 is designed with a singular platform vision that fuses high-performance hardware with intelligent software and services, so the player is always in power. Offering the greatest value in entertainment today, Microsoft detailed more key platform experiences that come standard with every Xbox 360 system:
-An IBM PowerPC-based CPU with three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each, packing the most advanced A.I. and physics processing available.
-A custom ATI Graphics processor and more than 512 MB of memory for high-definition games and entertainment applications.
-All games optimized for 16:9 aspect ratio, HD output (720p and 1080i), multichannel surround sound output, and full-screen anti-aliasing.
-Detachable and expandable 20GB hard drive to download demos and trailers along with new game levels, maps, weapons, vehicles, skins, community-created content, and more to rip music for playback and to listen to custom playlists in every game.
-A wireless controller with Microsoft-patented wireless technology.
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-Support for up to four wireless game controllers and an optional Universal Media Remote with Windows XP Media Center Edition Button for Media Center Edition functionality.
Those thing are promised to be standard with every X360 system. They noted it if it was optional.
However you see this, I think that this is a big insult to every people with a minimum IQ, they gave you to "options" spend 400 or spend 300 + 40 with a memory card, that very soon would became much more than 100. So in reallity they dont gave you a reall choise, just bend the true till look that way.
Then if they are so generous to loss 130 in premium version, which the expect to sell more, as they said why not loss that in the core version, would be better for everyone (unless they arent so generous, but only liers), they would mantein a real good weapon against PS3 (that would be Silver Live + HDD standart) and would mantein the same Live experience as today, but with this a lot people will not have the headset then XB360 Live <<< XB Live, also a standart headset could give new interfaces with real inovation.
And I still see people buying the 400 even knowing that one of the reasons why they buy it just became almost useless.
IMO this is very dirty and stupid (they lost all they had to fight). A core of HDD and headset standart would give them a very good position as lond as it cost -350 (not -/=)
As I said XB need to became very cheap till I get one, and probably only nitendo will own my gamerside.
Then if they are so generous to loss 130 in premium version, which the expect to sell more, as they said why not loss that in the core version, would be better for everyone (unless they arent so generous, but only liers), they would mantein a real good weapon against PS3 (that would be Silver Live + HDD standart) and would mantein the same Live experience as today, but with this a lot people will not have the headset then XB360 Live <<< XB Live, also a standart headset could give new interfaces with real inovation.
And I still see people buying the 400 even knowing that one of the reasons why they buy it just became almost useless.
IMO this is very dirty and stupid (they lost all they had to fight). A core of HDD and headset standart would give them a very good position as lond as it cost -350 (not -/=)
As I said XB need to became very cheap till I get one, and probably only nitendo will own my gamerside.
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