Official PS3 Thread

[Paul]

Just look in Vince's post.

 

[V3]

um where did u get the quote so i can make a comment based on the whole context rather than just a quote .

WTF?? You haven't read the article?

 

[jvd]

um where did u get the quote so i can make a comment based on the whole context rather than just a quote .

WTF?? You haven't read the article?

No i have i just didn't remember the quote from anywhere after the patent and i was right .

Within a few months of the project launch, Kahle had successfully refereed a conceptual design that satisfied all the stakeholders. The stage was set for the engineers to begin digging into the actual work of designing the chip.

This came before they even designed the chip . The reason i didn't place the quote is because it was not a full quote and was used to try and make thier view right. In full context u will see that it doesn't state any chip work was done. Only that the concepts and idea's for the chp design were accepted and full design would be started on. Think of it as the proof of concept stage. Now here is a quote for u sony guys

Cell project was originally envisioned as taking five years, suggesting that the final product may not be ready until as late as 2007. Although Sony refuses to talk about its future plans for the chip, it does admit that the Cell chip will not be the CPU in the Playstation3, reportedly slated for release in 2005.

Well that settles that . No 1tflop cell chip in the ps3 . No cell chip at all in the ps3.

 

[V3]

JVD,

That's the author making a speculation. Sony denied Cell in PS3 previously as well, the same way they denied about Emotion Engine being in PS2.

Really, Sony doesn't have any other products, that required that kind of processing, except for their Playstation, their gateway.

 

[Paul]

Of course Sony will want to deny it, they don't want sales of the ps2 to slip up..

Really jvd, sony has said cell will be in ps3, and accoring to zdnet Cell is soon or already has taped out. Plus the 1000X performance ISNT going to come from anything but a 1tflop cpu correct? And the countless mentions sony has made to ps3 and cell are just too great to think that cell won't be in ps3.

 

[jvd]

JVD,

That's the author making a speculation. Sony denied Cell in PS3 previously as well, the same way they denied about Emotion Engine being in PS2.

Really, Sony doesn't have any other products, that required that kind of processing, except for their Playstation, their gateway.

Okay v3 but by reading it it says

it does admit that the Cell chip will not be the CPU in the Playstation3

right there it says it does admit. Meaning sony admits to it not being the chip in the ps3. That is how it reads. It doesn't read we feel that sony will not have it in the ps3. Or they might not have it. It does admit ... meaning sony does admit. I'm sorry I don't think i'm reading that wrong at all. It may have just been the way it was worded. But i'm pretty sure i'm reading that paragraph right .

 

[jvd]

Of course Sony will want to deny it, they don't want sales of the ps2 to slip up..

Really jvd, sony has said cell will be in ps3, and accoring to zdnet Cell is soon or already has taped out. Plus the 1000X performance ISNT going to come from anything but a 1tflop cpu correct? And the countless mentions sony has made to ps3 and cell are just too great to think that cell won't be in ps3.

Can i have a link to the article that mentions the cell chip taped out or is close (considering i didn't even hear of them completing thier .65nm fabs yet i find it hard to believe) Btw isn't zdnet gone now ? thought they were brought out by another company

 

[Paul]

Explain this jvd?

"Today I cannot mention more detail of cell processor," he said, noting that it'll be unveiled around 2003 or 2004. He did state, however, that the third generation PlayStation would be based on this technology.

Hmm? That was said at gdc 2002 by okamoto.

http://www.gamespy.com/gdc2002/okamoto/index2.shtm

 

[Paul]

As for cell nearly taping out.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-948493.html?tag=fd_lede

 

[V3]

right there it says it does admit. Meaning sony admits to it not being the chip in the ps3. That is how it reads. It doesn't read we feel that sony will not have it in the ps3. Or they might not have it. It does admit ... meaning sony does admit. I'm sorry I don't think i'm reading that wrong at all. It may have just been the way it was worded. But i'm pretty sure i'm reading that paragraph right .

Like I said, its the same, when they unveil Emotion Engine and admit its not for PS2. Took everyone by suprised. (including the Poor Sega).

You can google around and find other example of Sony admitting Cell is not for PS3, that article is not the first time I heard it you know. That author probably got it from other article as well.

If not he would be more concrete, and give out quote.

What I am trying to say is that article doesn't backup other article that said the same thing before, because most probably they are from the same old source. Nothing new.

 

[jvd]

true , but then don't use that article to win a point and go back and say its not valid when someone else uses it to win a point. It doesn't work both ways. My whole point in the matter is nothing is finalized. We can all agree on that. And untill it is and sony announces the ps3 with full specs it can be anywhere from a nintendo system to a 50tflop chip. Nothing is for sure though and sony likes playing the ring around the rosey game keeping everyone guessing. Good for free pr.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Well no micron process is being used yet. Since .65 doesn't exist yet we don't know the yeild and clock speed it will be able to hit .

Wrong... it does exist and Toshiba engineers have announced that they are positively looking at March 2004 to start early 65 nm production...

Also not all parts of the Cell chip have to work at 4 GHz... e-DRAM doesn't have to and so do other of those 1,024 bits busses...

 

[Deepak]

I read in a designchain.com article about PS3 (link provided in a topic by Panajev)...it says this...

"As of this writing, Kahle's team is busily building a set of complete schematics for the masks that the factories will use to manufacture the Cell chip. The manufacturing design will utilize 90nm geometry and silicon-on-insulator (SOI) technology...."

90nm....

"Although Sony refuses to talk about its future plans for the chip, it does admit that the Cell chip will not be the CPU in the Playstation3, reportedly slated for release in 2005....."

??

 

[jvd]

Explain this jvd?

"Today I cannot mention more detail of cell processor," he said, noting that it'll be unveiled around 2003 or 2004. He did state, however, that the third generation PlayStation would be based on this technology.

Hmm? That was said at gdc 2002 by okamoto.

http://www.gamespy.com/gdc2002/okamoto/index2.shtm

Explain my quote away. U can't sony is playing the same game over and over again. As i've been saying free pr. They don't care what people are saying about ps3 as long as people are saying it.

 

[Paul]

You don't make any sense. You say Cell isn't going to be in ps3 and I show you proof where a big sony guy says it is. And now your just trying to come up with some rhetoric because you KNOW im right and you can't prove this wrong.

 

[jvd]

As for cell nearly taping out.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-948493.html?tag=fd_lede

okay nearly taping out is wrong from what i under stand of taping out (from the geforce fx days haha ) They haven't even made the masks yet that will be used to debug hardware after the alpha and beta silicon is made. So they are entering the tap out phase now is more acurate wouldn't u agree v3 ? Also it makes no mention of micron . It says that the 16 core cell might be used in the ps3. As i said yields may be poor or it may be to expensive to use .

 

[jvd]

You don't make any sense. You say Cell isn't going to be in ps3 and I show you proof where a big sony guy says it is. And now your just trying to come up with some rhetoric because you KNOW im right and you can't prove this wrong.

I showed u proof from an article u quoted from and now u are ignoring it. Answer me why that article says what it says. I left the quote there .

 

[Paul]

Well that article is from 2002.. So by now I guess they are making samples.

 

[jvd]

Well no micron process is being used yet. Since .65 doesn't exist yet we don't know the yeild and clock speed it will be able to hit .

Wrong... it does exist and Toshiba engineers have announced that they are positively looking at March 2004 to start early 65 nm production...

Also not all parts of the Cell chip have to work at 4 GHz... e-DRAM doesn't have to and so do other of those 1,024 bits busses...

Well they announced they are looking at march 2004 which means it doesn't exist yet. At least in the sense that no chip has been made on .65 yet. Also no not all of the cell chip needs to work at 4ghz but all the parts have to hit the same speeds as the other chips . You can't have one chip in a ps3 running at 4ghz and in the next one have it running at 3.5 ghz. So that will affect yields. That and parts not working and what not.

 

[jvd]

Well that article is from 2002.. So by now I guess they are making samples.

So wait it was good enough for when u needed to proof a point but when i use it to prove a point it is no longer good and its from 2002 so lets dismiss it ? This double standard isn't fair at all paul.