The first Civic was sold in US for $2000.
But this kinda framing isn't at all useful.
I guess the way I look at things, it would just be a massively overpriced, low end car. Nvidia has doubled the price of many of their GPU tiers compared to prior generations so I consider the two scenarios quite similar.
Ah well maybe you're new to PC gaming and hardware and all that, but when we get a new generation, the performance leaps up at every given price point. What you get for $300 in a new generation should perform well beyond what a $300 product gave you two years ago. That's pretty much the main reason to care about new generations of hardware in the first place, unless you're one of the rare few who only buys the top end stuff.
1080p/60fps was the midrange target back in 2016, seven years ago. Midrange products now should be able to do better than that, even accounting for higher core demands in games. The fact that you dont think so is just helping normalize the idea of 'paying more for less than we used to get'. And dont get me wrong, I'm not expecting to get like a 4070 at like $250-300 or anything, I realize there are cost factors that mean we cant get the same prices as before, but what Nvidia is doing is beyond ridiculous and there's no honest way to defend it.What's missing from this debate is a common understanding of "same kind of product". There are a few different ways you can define it.
Some examples
Everybody seems to be using a different definition of "midrange" which is why the conversation is just going in circles.
- Lets you play newish games at 1080p / 60 / medium settings
- Only takes up 2 PCIe slots
- Requires only one power connector
- Costs < $300
- Product name ends in "60"
- Chip name ends in "06"
- Is in the middle of the SKU lineup
For the record my definition is the first one. A midrange card plays games at midrange settings. Feel free to argue about the definition of midrange settings
The first Civics were compact economy cars that were extraordinarily reliable, current Civics aren't in the same league. Or is that your point, but if so I don't see how it relates to graphic cards.
Because you would have options which would be better at it's price, not because it is "low-end".
There are no "GPU tiers".
Is it how things always are? Or is it your own expectation from new generations of PC h/w which are based on different production realities where new processes would bring "free" transistors with them which isn't a thing anymore?
It's the same GPU chip but with more and faster memory.
What else could it be seen as? It's a single monolithic GPU, same as every Hopper, now with HBM3e instead of HBM3 memories. The other chip is CPU called Grace and it's the same (including memory) as the earlier superchips.
It is how things always have been, and always should be. Otherwise, there is very little point in caring about new generations if you're not actually getting a significant improvement for the same amount of money.
Should they? Do you get significant improvements between every generation of everything? Like between the generations of Civic mentioned above for example? Or is it just your expectations based on how things were with GPUs previously again? Do you get such improvements in any other PC component these days?
Yes, it should, unless you've already bought a 40 series card and want to somehow try and justify how advocating for consumers being treated better is a bad thing.
Consumers are treated in the same way always and everywhere. If you don't like the product you buy another one which is better in your opinion. No one has to do anything else, and that's also true for manufacturers of said products.
Consumers determine how they are treated in the end. And protesting against and not buying a certain product or product line cuz a company is acting like a greedy dirtbag is a 100% valid way to approach things. A necessary one, in my opinion. But you seem to disagree, since well, you bought a 40 series card, didn't you? And I'm sure that has no bearing on your arguments at all here, I'm sure...
Nvidias internal product names, while made up, certainly do mean something.
You can protest against physics all you want, don't let me stop you.
Do they? What does Ada Lovelace mean in relation to 3D graphics?
Can you point me to any official document which would confirm this?
