NVIDIA shows signs ... [2008 - 2017]

Don´t be obsessed with market-share. Nvidia for sure will win global market share because all new Apple refresh and maybe some Ion despite i didn't see any on sale.
But still Nvidia is selling a low-margin and cheap IGP.

The real math and market share should done on discrete desktop and mobile.

ATI want to pick up the discrete market share fast. A RV790 look like very equal to RV770 so looks like they didn't invest to much money in it. Also the development of GPU's is not made from one day to the other. It take year's and if RV790 is on schedule the crisis just cough the development process of the chip in the middle.

RV740 is the real deal for notebooks and desktops. A gold mine in crisis times

 

$180 GTX260 that's insane! Or was that including MIR? The cheapest I see is $200 without MIR... which is still insane! Card started at $450! More exclamations!!!

GTS250s are up and the cheapest is $130. Is there any way to distinguish between 'slow' and 'fast' versions other than looking at mem clock (which isn't always listed)?

 

they have 2 models, the 512mb and the normal one.

Looks like there is only one review card on newegg EVGA GTS 250 Superclock for $169.

The rest are all rebadges But by god what a mess. 1GB cards are all "slow" (as predicted) but still set you back for $170.
memory 2000/2200/2240/2246
gpu 738/740/750/756/771.

So basically, you take a cheap 9800GTX+ call it a GTS250 and add $10 to the price. there you go. Rebranding FTW.

 

Both the ATI and Nvidia cards were including rebates. Otherwise the comparison would not have been fair. I admit rebates are a hassle, but the alternative of not including them made the ATI cards look much worse. The EVGA 250 card mentioned is $159 w/ rebate.
errr... I meant 159 not 259 big difference.

 

What you talking bout willis? Comparing launch MSRP to street?

 

I thought they had three models: 512MB, 1GB 1100MHz ('fast') GDDR3, and 1GB 1000MHz ('slow') GDDR3..

As noted above I thought 1100MHz GDDR3 was the 'fast' version..

So right now we have:

• 512MB HD4850 competing with 512MB GTS250
• 512MB competing with 1GB GTS250 - ignore 'fast' and 'slow' versions (though the 4870 is running ~$20 higher without MIRs)
• 1GB HD4870 vs GTX260
• GTS240 will be pit against HD4830
• RV740 and 790 will slot in somewhere sometime soon and change everything...
• My brain explodes

 

It's about what I can buy now, a week after the reviews. I still have a hard time wrapping my head around "Launch MSRP" for a product that got a new sticker on the cooler.


1GB 250 goes for $160 1GB 4850 goes for $162, 512MB 4870 $180.

The 1GB 4850 has a lot going for it, especially since it's faster than the 4870 on occasions (crysis without AA!) and depending on game benchmark percentually faster than the 4850 up to twice the speed at 1920x1200. a much fairer card to compare seeing it's price right now. It's plain faster than the superclocked GTS250 and it seems that only techreport used a 1GB 4850 in it's benchmarks otherwise the rest of the reviews would be a lot less positive about the "fast" 250.

homer, can you add the GT1X0's to your list to, if you do something, be exhaustive

 

I intentionally avoided that market segment on both sides.

 

dude actually look up market data before you make such statements , and stop trying to proclaim the same crap you did in the other thread, because that surely is not correct.

What crisis, should look at when cards are likely to be launched and the latest set of rumors of updated GPU's logicallly just doesn't fit anywhere. If AMD is calling it the rv790 and surely they are, its nothing new.

 

crap? let's stop by here, because who write huge piles of crap and magic performances of G92 I know who

As for the data on Q4 ATI won slightly on desktop but loose much on notebook (apple Mackbook effect), so overall was negative.

 

Yeah of course. And in this case it's harder to swallow since it's the same exact chip. But in general MSRP's haven't and don't need to track with street prices of older price reduced products. GTS250 will be down near $100 very soon.

 

AMD: MacBook issues giving graphics bad rap

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10193327-64.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Nanotech-TheCircuitsBlog

* I think that parenthesised text might be the CNET writer's addition, not sure though...

Jawed

 

Really I think you should look at those numbers again , I don't know what you are talking about performance of the g92, it fits in well at its price points, not to mention its die size is around the same as the rv770 and it competes well with the HD4850, so magins is inconsquential in your arguement. So you want to come again about competition, and what not?

 

So AMD isn't pushing for market share, and they aren't pushing for margins. So what're they doing exactly? And I think you meant to attribute that quote to Inkster

 

Actually that depends on how you look at it.

Q3 08 -> Q4 08 Nvidia won big due to the fact their marketshare dropped during Q3. Market share gain from Q3 07 -> Q4 07 was due mostly to the massive price cuts Nvidia had to do to stem the marketshare loss. Worked great and they actually regained most of the lost share.

Q4 07 -> Q4 08 ATI won slightly overall in marketshare.

As for cash. Well, Nvidia was bleeding cash like someone had just cut their jugular. ATI on the other hand had a slight scratch for cash losses.

If not for the recession, it's most likely that Nvidia would have STILL bled cash, just not as massively. While ATI would have made a nice profit. AMD on the other hand would have still lost as a company due to how poorly the CPU side is doing.

Regards,
SB

 

Q3-> Q4 ATI won some on desktop. Massive price cuts where on desktop didn´t work. What worked was Apple deal on new Mac notebooks and IGP for Intel. How many times I have to repeat this?
AMD suffered on Q4 only because Nvidia IGP for Intel and ATOM wave with Intel IGP.
Not because their desktop discrete lineup, actually it was up. What was down was notebook.

http://www.dvhardware.net/article32986.html

Price cuts on Nvidia desktop didn´t did anything to market share. What did to market share was 9400M, and in particular Apple Mac. Hope don´t have to repeat again....

 

Repeating unfounded assertions over and over doesn't make them true.

W/o the price cuts Nvidia may have lost far more desktop market share. You have no evidence whatsoever to make the claim you are making with regard to desktop market share (and it makes no sense either). It is a valid opinion, but that is all it is. An opinion.

Edit: To make it clear your argument implies Nvidia price cuts did not effect desktop marketshare. If this is the case then Nvidia cut prices and diminished margins simply for fun as you say they would have sold the same amount at a higher price. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

First seen on Fudzilla

I don't know how long they've been on sale, but I guess these'll help:

http://store.nvidia.com/DRHM/servle...dia&Locale=en_US&Env=BASE&productID=111286300

Anyone holding out for a GT200 keychain?

Jawed

 

I was able to up the amount up to 5000 pieces and it would still tell me it's in stock. anyone wager a guess how much G98's are nVentory?

 

thats wierd there are q3 numbers

http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=630&Itemid=34

Now q4 numbers from your link

hmm ?