nVidia release new all singing all dancing dets.

Joe DeFuria said:
0x is the default setting for Direct3D.
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Well then the next question is obvious:

Would someone run 3D Mark with Aniso at 0x and 1x, and see if there's any performance difference? Are all the D3D scores we've been seeing so far taken with point sampling?
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I'm not sure. I mean: Even if it looks like 0X is the default setting the real setting was "Application controlled", or 1X, up until the point when I changed it to another thing setting.
 
Joe - I would have got these scores online but the ORB is kinda...ahem...busy at the moment :rolleyes:

Test - Result for 0x - Result for 1x
Low Detail Car Chase = 138.2 - 138.9 fps
High Detail Car Chase = 46.8 - 46.8 fps
Low Detail Dragothic = 197.4 - 197.1 fps
High Detail Dragothic = 109.4 - 109.5 fps
Low Detail Lobby = 126.7 - 127.2 fps
High Detail Lobby = 57.4 - 57.1 fps
Nature = 74.5 - 74.5 fps

Single Texture Fill Rate = 1048.3 - 1048.3 Mtexels/sec
Multi Texture Fill Rate = 2321.8 - 2321.8 Mtexels/sec

High Polygon Count, 1 light = 51.7 - 51.7 Mtris/sec
High Polygon Count, 8 lights = 12.6 - 12.6 Mtris/sec

Environmental Bump Mapping = 153.6 - 153.4 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping = 159.8 - 159.6 fps
Vertex Shader = 98.4 - 98.4 fps
Pixel Shader = 124.7 - 123.4 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader = 97.7 - 97.9 fps
Point Sprites = 32.2 - 32.2 Mpoints/sec

Score = 10,383 - 10,388

As far as 3DMark is concerned, the defaulting to 0x (or so it would seem to be doing so) is not a performance thing; previous drivers have looked jucky in the past - can't remember which version it was but it had horrendous banding all over the place.
 
Galilee,

Could you just humor me and run 3D Mark with 0x and 1x settings, and provide the score break-down? Thanks!

EDIT: Nevermind, Neeyik has done it. Thanks Neeyik!
 
I'm in a hurry but I tested nature:

1X 64.8
0X 64.7

same..

I wonder why they even have the 0X option, and as default... must be a mistake :)
 
Well.....so far the best that can be said about these drivers are that the new interface looks good and adds features that you previously needed a 3rd party tweeking tool to access. As far as the "up to 25% performance improvement"....well......at least Nature in 3DMark is faster :rolleyes:

Now, I'm not discounting what the new drivers may do. IF they make things smoother, add features, etc. well, thats great! All (6!!!) of my nVidia cards will greatly appreciate it! :LOL: BUT......

It's beginning to look like the "up to 25% performance improvement" may be just another half truth in the continuing nVidia Fud campain. I hope I'm wrong here, but this is the kind of thing that nVidia has done in the past, and constitutes many peoples greatest complaint about nVidia.
 
So what's the deal with 98/Me driver revs of this Det4 set? Has Nvidia basically halted further driver development on the 9X platform? I still use Me for gaming as it consistently delivers faster framerates than XP, with less quirks as well.
 
I can say that if the rest of the industry suddenly dropped Win9x/Me, we could suddenly support the remaining OS's much better. No complaints on my end. :)
 
Can someone explain to me what exactly is that 0x Aniso setting actually does. I look at the screenshot and it seems to be doing Bilinear Upsampling, and Point Downsampling with Mip Map blending (aka Trilinear but it's not doing the bilinear). But of course, I can't really say. It just looks really stange.
 
Hey let's be fair here...NVIDIA didn't mention the word "games" anywhere in the press release, with reference to the Det 40s themselves. "Popular consumer and professional applications" could mean anything from Solitaire to Excel ;)
 
Neeyik said:
Hey let's be fair here...NVIDIA didn't mention the word "games" anywhere in the press release, with reference to the Det 40s themselves. "Popular consumer and professional applications" could mean anything from Solitaire to Excel ;)
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Or 3dmark2001 Nature test.
 
Neeyik said:
Hey let's be fair here...NVIDIA didn't mention the word "games" anywhere in the press release, with reference to the Det 40s themselves. "Popular consumer and professional applications" could mean anything from Solitaire to Excel ;)
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Coooool Solitaire
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Greatest increase in SS:SE is at 1600x1200, which is 10fps.
And the greatest increased in Q3 is only 5fps.

Still any increase is good, as long as IQ does not decrease.
 
Nature test with various aniso settings:

0x - 45.6
1x - 45.8
2x - 36.8
4x - 32.4
8x - 32.4

hmm, 4x and 8x are identical, and 1x is faster than 0x. From the look of this there's only 3 basic settings - 1x, 2x and 4x. 8x doesn't look any better than 4x, and 0x is lousy.

It's funny, but that 2x score is EXACTLY what my old score was, minus aniso. Maybe 0x and 1x are actually lower quality than the old default setting without aniso, because frankly these look much worse than before.

btw, that 0x Morrowind shot neeyik provided is truly horrible. I haven't seen blocky textures like that since... oh... since I had a Commodore 64! ;)
 
So i guess no one seems to care that they achieved their *25% performance increase* by hacking their IQ to hell??? You actually think there is some other *magical* way they could do it as optomized as their drivers already were?... I wonder if well see Kyle make a big deal out of this. Or claim that they are cheating.... hmmmm.... ;)

Look close at nature..... a 30 FPS increase in that test... See what your eyes tell you. Morrowind. Or other games. They are disabling Filtering and tanking LOD in distant objects and odd angles.

Thats no victory in the driver department IMHO.... 8) But then I am only one small voice in a sea of many.
 
I can see the difference between 4x and 8x in the Morrowind screenshots on the right wall. However, the left one is beyond my visual capacity.

Regards :)
 
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