But why? The person I replied too didn't describe any h/w either.Nowhere in your "three sentences" you describe what h/w you are talking about. Please do.
But why? The person I replied too didn't describe any h/w either.Nowhere in your "three sentences" you describe what h/w you are talking about. Please do.
I don't agree with any of that.
A. "Significant" isn't a measurable definition. +30% in CPU ST is significant, right? Why is it not in GPU performance?
Then what are we using when we count this number? Average performance results from the likes of HUB who still pretty much ignore RT in 2022? TPU results do not include RT in them either so what is the baseline for such comparisons? Do I personally care if some new card provide "only" +30% in 1080p in Diablo 3? Is this "insignificant"?
B. +30% at the same price DOES improve perf/price. Nowhere anywhere does anyone promised you that it will be more (or less) with each next generation. If you don't like it then don't buy the new product, it's really that simple.
C. Pascal to Turing was more or less flat on perf/price (1080Ti was slightly behind 2080 at the same launch price). This isn't the same as a +30% gain in performance at the same price.
Then what products are we even talking about? Have I missed the announcement of MSRPs for the upcoming cards? Do we know what else they will bring to the market besides the oh so popular "moar FLOPs"? People are too quick to jump at any possibility to bash some product before they even know anything about it - price including. Remember the times when 4080 was expected to draw 500W and everyone and their mother was running around screaming how unacceptable that is? What happened to this I wonder.
I mean what can you do? Rewrite the laws of physics? Start giving away your products for free because that would be "good for the enthusiast PC gaming market"? Would it actually?True but if we're now to expect performance/$ improvements more in line with CPU scaling than historical GPU scaling then we may also see the user replacement frequency of GPU's drop to something more in line with CPU's which is generally quite a bit lower, and I'm not sure that would be good for the enthusiast PC gaming market.
Hence why I think that everyone should chill and wait for now. We don't know much about the products besides TDPs and (fairly useless) FLOPs/units numbers. We're not even sure that 4080 12GB is a thing yet.Hey if Ada comes in with a more reasonable MSRP - i.e. the 4080 12GB (AKA 4070) at $499-$599 the the real 4080 (16GB) at $699-799 with the rumoured/expected performance uplifts then no-one will be happier than me. I've been first in line for one of these things for almost 2 years now.
Nevermind the slots, are they all fans???It's either a half-scale open bench system or the 4090 looks to really be a 4-5 slot monster. :|
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Jay was speculating that they're internal bluetooth speakers with sub-woofers. :|Nevermind the slots, are they all fans???
Why settle for image when you have video?It's either a half-scale open bench system or the 4090 looks to really be a 4-5 slot monster. :|
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I don't think there can be a reasonable assessment of these upcoming architectures that can use merely rasterised gaming performance. I'd like to see solely max-RT used.RT at 4K will certainly see big gains if that’s your cup of tea.
I don't think there can be a reasonable assessment of these upcoming architectures that can use merely rasterised gaming performance. I'd like to see solely max-RT used.
Indeed, however there are several points to consider:The vast majority of titles on the market today don't have significant RT implementations
Absolutely. RDNA3/Ada battle will be on RT, not on raster. Who care about 150 or 200fps at 4k pure raster? It's irrelevant. But 60 vs 100fps with RT is a another story and the real deciding factor...4K 144fps non-RT should be easy for 4090. "Who cares" easy. Same should be true of Navi 31.
So it will be literally irrelevant as a comparison of these two cards in purchasing decision terms.
4K 144fps non-RT should be easy for 4090. "Who cares" easy. Same should be true of Navi 31.
So it will be literally irrelevant as a comparison of these two cards in purchasing decision terms.
4K 144fps non-RT should be easy for 4090. "Who cares" easy. Same should be true of Navi 31.
So it will be literally irrelevant as a comparison of these two cards in purchasing decision terms.
Yeah. Max settings without RT are not max settings.I still find the narrative interesting in respect to being insistent at testing at "max settings" while putting RT in it's own bracket.