NPD November 2005

[mckmas8808]

It was just a feeling to be honest. I think the PSP is a damn sexy looking handheld (crushes the DS by far) but I've *always* stated that games will drive the adoption of hardware and the PSP is just lacking in that department.

Now this doesn't discount other vehicles for adoption, such as web browsing, movie watching (surprisingly far higher than I expected), and of course staying trendy with a hip device...but in the end, the PSP is primarily a gaming handheld and thus without decent games in its lineup, I expect sales to suffer.

This of course doesn't mean it's doomed, far from it. They just need to start rolling out good games (and mind you, a few have begun to trickle out).

Okay I can go with that. Hopefully your wrong.

*no hard feelings

 

[Hardknock]

So Walmart's figures are estimated into the numbers they report?

estimated and real actual numbers are not the same thing. Anybody that thinks MS didn't sell out of 360s in the first day is delusional.

And that NPD figure is inclusive of all consoles sold within North America (so Canada as well).

This NPD does not include Canada.

They use a method of extrapolation to reasonably determine what Walmart would've contributed to the figure. So its not like "heres the figure 332k, Walmart has another 68k, thats 400k".

It is not reasonable at all and far from a accurate representation.

And a definitive "no" would be wrong. There were reports from major gaming outlets of consoles available in less populated regions, like all hardware launches.

link?

 

[one]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140959.html

NPD retracts November numbers

...

However, within hours of its release, the report was promptly retracted by NPD. "It has come to our attention that the November 2005 video games data released today contained overstated information," read an e-mail sent out to NPD subscribers. The company said it would "review the reasons behind the overstated numbers immediately," but did not have an estimate as to when the corrected November figures would be released.

NPD's silence led to speculation on the part of analysts who had already received the report. One noticed that while the company usually claims to collect 63 percent of sales data, in November it claimed to collect 53 percent. He reasoned this was the cause of "dramatically higher" numbers than usual, and that when the corrected numbers are released, they will be much closer to the previous, pessimistic forecasts. It could also mean that Xbox 360 sales could come in under the 332,000-unit figure cited in the report.

 

[Hardknock]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140959.html

Why is gamespot only mentioning Xbox 360?

 

["Nerve-Damage"]

Why is gamespot only mentioning Xbox 360?

It could also mean that Xbox 360 sales could come in under the 332,000-unit figure cited in the report.

Just maybe, just maybe that the Xbox 360 total unit sales figures (November) are inaccurate, from what the retail stores are reporting. You really can’t factor in EBay sales since most if not all the Xbox 360s came from retail stores. I just can’t picture Microsoft shipping tons of units to Mom & Pop stores.

 

[see colon]

It's funny that you only call out the PSP. Why choose that one device out of all of them?

not to add fuel to this fire... but my local ElBo told me that corperate is making them push PSPs like mad. they're aggressively pushing units and tracking sales, and having some extra people on this weekend for "super PSP saturday" or something. the xtra people would be there to demo PSPs to customers.

i'm not sure this means anything, but it's kind of strange for hardware that's been out for 8-9months already. and it sold pretty well in my area, too.

 

[Bill]

So combined MS sold the most consoles of any company (360+Xbox) :smile:

Nice PSP numbers.

And I really dont think GBA advance should be included.

 

[Corwin_B]

And I really dont think GBA advance should be included.

And why that ? It's certainly a console, and its number are statistically very significant (best-selling system currently, beating the more powerful handhelds by quite a margin).

 

[Bill]

Because I'm tired of these Nintendo handhelds that sell for $39 bucks or whatever, being put in the same chart with real systems.

What are the games, $15? And what's the tie ratio, 1.2 to 1? Come on. They give a misleading picture that Nintendo is doing better than they are.

We might as well start counting those retro 2600 systems and controller/game things too.

And Tiger LCD watches or whatever.

Oh well no matter. Those days will end anyway.

 

[Ty]

I guess I don't get why you're trying to draw the line without the GBA either as it's still a HUGE HUGE player in the market. Though I would like to see GB Micro sales because I wonder if that is turning out to be the next iPod shuffle.

 

[London Geezer]

Because I'm tired of these Nintendo handhelds that sell for $39 bucks or whatever, being put in the same chart with real systems.

So you're saying that price is a problem? On that chart you have systems that cost $300+ (the X360) and systems that cost $99 (GC and maybe PS2? Not sure)... By your standards, they shouldn't be in the same chart. But then we would need a chart for $300+ systems where the only player is X360, a chart for $100 to $200... another one for anything <$100...
What's the point then?!?!

What are the games, $15? And what's the tie ratio, 1.2 to 1? Come on. They give a misleading picture that Nintendo is doing better than they are.

What does the price of the games and the the tie-in ratio have to do with a system's place in the chart?!

We might as well start counting those retro 2600 systems and controller/game things too. And Tiger LCD watches or whatever.

Why don't you complile it then, show us how much those toys are selling if you care that much. Obviously a chart like that is useless for people like us who are discussing videogames.

Obviously a "toys" chart could have those, but then they would have to share their place with all the "electronic toys" you can find at Toys'R'Overpriced. And you'll probably see that the Simpsons Sing-Along Karaoke set (or something...) was selling less than PS2 and X360... WHO CARES!! Totally different markets!!!

 

[Bill]

The retro 2600's should really be in.

And the controllers you hold that have twenty games loaded in.

I like the data, but it didn't used to be included with the real consoles.

 

[Titanio]

So combined MS sold the most consoles of any company (360+Xbox) :smile:

How do you figure that from the numbers we've got?

191,320 + 332,121 = 523441 < 546,096 (PS2). And if you threw in PSP - which given its price I think you could very reasonably - then..

If those X360 numbers are NPD's final number, that's surprisingly low. I've no doubt they sold out of X360s, but it just speaks for the supply situation. I'd also begin to wonder how many were sold in Europe - it was said they were shipping 300k to Europe for launch, but I very much doubt that if they only shipped ~300k to the US aswell.

 

[Bill]

My bad I thought it was slightly above Ps2.

Besides I was waiting for somebody to say "yeah with two consoles".

And I was talking about home consoles.

 

[LunchBox]

Because I'm tired of these Nintendo handhelds that sell for $39 bucks or whatever, being put in the same chart with real systems.

What are the games, $15? And what's the tie ratio, 1.2 to 1? Come on. They give a misleading picture that Nintendo is doing better than they are.

We might as well start counting those retro 2600 systems and controller/game things too.

And Tiger LCD watches or whatever.

Oh well no matter. Those days will end anyway.

LMAO. FYI the DS is more expensive than the Game Cube

 

[YeuEmMaiMai]

LMAO. FYI the DS is more expensive than the Game Cube

Not any more. The DS was recently reduced to $99

 

[LunchBox]

Not any more. The DS was recently reduced to $99

Really?

i just bought 1 last week for $129.99

wallet rapage right there (T.T)

i bought one coz my little sister took my other one hostage

 

[Teasy]

Because I'm tired of these Nintendo handhelds that sell for $39 bucks or whatever, being put in the same chart with real systems.

What are the games, $15? And what's the tie ratio, 1.2 to 1? Come on. They give a misleading picture that Nintendo is doing better than they are.

Ok how about we remove any hardware that doesn't sell at a profit? Because after all they give a false impression of how well that company is doing right? Honestly you just sound annoyed that Nintendo are doing well with the GBA and DS, which is sad.

Oh and FYI the GBA sells for $79.99, the games are $29.99 and GBA's tie in ratio is more like 3 or more to 1. So you really couldn't be more wrong on all counts.

 

[Teasy]

Not any more. The DS was recently reduced to $99

I doubt that's an official price drop, I haven't heard of one and its still $129.99 everywhere I look online (EBgames ect).

 

[see colon]

MSRP for the DS is 129.99 but many retailers are having sales for 99.99. kind of a wierd time to do that, since the mario kart bundle and (if they have any left) nintendogs bundle are out as well for 149.99.