Now the war is over wishfull thinkers please explain how blu will ever replace DVD.

I can tell you right now, every one I know to include family members, will be buying an HDD player when the cost of them reduce to levels we are confortable with. But it will happen. We also plan on having more han 1 player and more than the current 1 HDTV we currently have. And PQ/SQ matters to all of us.

That is pretty much the opposite of me no one I know is remotely interested in blu/hd-dvd. They do want Hd-TVs to get a nice thin tv thats about it. Most people I know also have familys and can not afford to either buy media 2x or replace every player with blu.
 
May be you should wait until they bought and get used to a HD TV ?

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What I meant was we shouldn't ask if they need/want to buy a HD player if they don't have the means to display HD yet. They are the wrong target group. It's like asking people without electricity if they want to buy a PC.
 
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How many people/families actually own 5 DVD players?

In any case, surely such people would buy one Blu-ray player/PS3 and keep it in the living room, and perhaps buy more as the price comes down. I dont think any of the hardware manufacturers are expecting people to go into Walmart looking to buy 5 Blu-ray players to go with their shopping.
 
How many people/families actually own 5 DVD players?

In any case, surely such people would buy one Blu-ray player/PS3 and keep it in the living room, and perhaps buy more as the price comes down. I dont think any of the hardware manufacturers are expecting people to go into Walmart looking to buy 5 Blu-ray players to go with their shopping.

I dont own 5 stand alones, only 2 of those, but all 8 of my PCs(5 desktops and 3 laptops) have at a minimum, a DVD drive in them. Thanks to Alpha I remembered a few more, 1 XBOX and 1 portable.
 
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How many people/families actually own 5 DVD players?

In any case, surely such people would buy one Blu-ray player/PS3 and keep it in the living room, and perhaps buy more as the price comes down. I dont think any of the hardware manufacturers are expecting people to go into Walmart looking to buy 5 Blu-ray players to go with their shopping.

I own 10 devices that can play a dvd.

4 standalone DVD players, 1 ps2, 1 xbox 360, 2 desktop computers, 1 laptop, 1 portable dvd player.
 
All of the devices above -- minus traditional DVD players -- can play a video file though. Some modern DVD players can also play Divx files. So a Blu-ray disc packaged with lower res video files should work once the old DVD players are upgraded to Hi Def ones.

The problem is more with DRM (You need one for each supported system).
 
The world is not shifting to HDM. Ethusist sure but the average person is not especially on a format that is incompatible with the 5 SD players they have in the house/car.
I wonder how DVD ever took off. I couldn't even play my collection of videos on my DVD player.

It will be exactly the same as it was with DVD, families will buy one blu-ray player for the living room, and then as it gets cheaper they will buy them for other rooms.

Are you really trying to suggest every family suddenly switched to DVD when it came out buying 5 for every room in their house/car?

The only thing really different this time round is my collection of DVDs won't be completely useless on my blu-ray player.
 
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I dunno and don't care. I only bought my plasma for its sleek physical shape so I never bother to even turn it on. /boggle.
 
I own 10 devices that can play a dvd.

4 standalone DVD players, 1 ps2, 1 xbox 360, 2 desktop computers, 1 laptop, 1 portable dvd player.

I think you are the exception to the norm. Most people I know own a console and/or PC and a DVD player. The PC drives will be upgradeable anyway.

DS's and PSP's are far more common than portable DVD players in the UK. Most of my friends would view the idea of owning that many DVD-playing devices as ridiculous.
 
I wonder how DVD ever took off. I couldn't even play my collection of videos on my DVD player.

It will be exactly the same as it was with DVD, families will buy one blu-ray player for the living room, and then as it gets cheaper they will buy them for other rooms.

Are you really trying to suggest every family suddenly switched to DVD when it came out buying 5 for every room in their house/car?

The only thing really different this time round is my collection of DVDs won't be completely useless on my blu-ray player.

LOL.

I think that post is entirely reasonable. I expect the uptake of HD to be slower than DVD. And its possible the format wont sell as much as DVD. But really, why would people rebuy their entire DVD library? The fact that Blu-ray is backwards compatible with DVD gives it a nice advantage. Given that $300 players from Funai will be out this year, the only thing that can stop Blu-ray momentum is the adoption rate of HDTV's. But then, 99% of tv's sold in Western Europe, Japan and North America are HD ready nowadays...
 
$300 for a standalone is a long way from mass adoption. DVD players didn't reach critical mass till $50.
 
I love all the people who have the tinfoil hats. MS took a gamble on HD-DVD it is like one of us dropping 10 bucks on the 1000 to 1 shot at the races. MS made a small investment that could of paid off huge.

The world is not shifting to HDM. Ethusist sure but the average person is not especially on a format that is incompatible with the 5 SD players they have in the house/car.

1) Internet HD/Microsoft HD quality != BD or HD-DVD HD quality. Microsoft quality "HD" movies would fit easily on a DVD. If what you claim is true, there is no need for HD formats at all, we could easily fit everything contained on HD media onto a DVD.
2) How many people are actually downloading 4-5GB movies now? If too many do, it will saturate ISP's bandwidth. 25-50 GB downloads are some way off, but so ling as SD formats predominate Microsoft has a chance to dominate.
3) Microsoft's HD Internet service may look fine compared to SD TV, but when people start buying BD movies, they will see the difference.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/06/microsofts-xbox-live-video-hdtv-and-hd-movie-downloads-for-you
# Downloads are in VC-1 (aka WMVHD) at 720p, 6.8Mbps video with 5.1 surround.
# An average HD movie download should be between 4-5GB, and a two hour SD movie would be 1.6GB.
# An average 1 hour (44 min) HDTV download should be about 2.2GB, and an average 1/2 hour (22 min) HDTV download should be about 1GB. A 1 hour SDTV download should be about 600MB, and a 1/2 hour SDTV download should be about 300MB.

By the way, who is this person you keep mentioning who owns 5 DVD players, and what makes you think he/she is going to out buy the rest of the market?
 
What was critical mass (i.e. what #s are you talking about)?

I'm referring to the point at which something becomes dominant in retail. I don't think a $300 BR player is going to have a significant impact on sales. HD media sales will probably pick up somewhat this year, but I doubt they'll achieve 5% of the market unless we start hearing about $100 standalones and media prices more in line with DVD (within ~10%).
 
I'm referring to the point at which something becomes dominant in retail. I don't think a $300 BR player is going to have a significant impact on sales. HD media sales will probably pick up somewhat this year, but I doubt they'll achieve 5% of the market unless we start hearing about $100 standalones and media prices more in line with DVD (within ~10%).

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm in complete agreement WRT $300 price point. I just don't think it needs to necessarily get down to the $50 level. Maybe $150 is close enough.
 
$300 for a standalone is a long way from mass adoption. DVD players didn't reach critical mass till $50.

Err...right.

There were tens of millions of DVD players on the market before this point. You're overstating the point greatly.

Certainly people here in the UK wont be waiting for Blu-ray players to hit £25 before they jump into the HD revolution. They're just not that price-sensitive.
 
I wonder if shifting over HD-DVD component manufacturing to BD (eg. blue diodes etc.) will help bring down BD player costs.
 
Err...right.

There were tens of millions of DVD players on the market before this point. You're overstating the point greatly.

Certainly people here in the UK wont be waiting for Blu-ray players to hit £25 before they jump into the HD revolution. They're just not that price-sensitive.

Besides, if you can afford a £500 HDTV, you can certainly afford a £100 HD player, and you are certainly more likely to do so than the owners of SDTV were to buy DVD players, because there is so much less available HD broadcast content than there was SDTV broadcasts when DVD was introduced.
 
Besides, if you can afford a £500 HDTV, you can certainly afford a £100 HD player, and you are certainly more likely to do so than the owners of SDTV were to buy DVD players, because there is so much less available HD broadcast content than there was SDTV broadcasts when DVD was introduced.

Just because someone can afford to spend a certain amount of money on a product, it doesn't mean they will, especially when you are talking about entertainment dollars. There's always somewhere else those dollars can go that could provide similar or better value for the individual.
 
There were tens of millions of DVD players on the market before this point. You're overstating the point greatly.
The US? Worldwide? If we take the US as a reference, since we're talking about prices in $ and the HD market seems furthest along there: Standalone player sales entered into the 'tens of millions' (>20) sometime around July 2001 (after roughly 4 years on the market).

What did a low-end DVD player cost back then? I believe they were available from around $180 (street prices) for the cheapest brand name ones with prices approaching $150 towards Christmas and dropping below $100 for the first time during 2002 (for crap like CyberHome or whatnot at BestBuy or wherever).
 
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