You are funny. HTC posted losses two quarters in a row? Linkage please.
(you do realize that lower profits != losses, right?)
With Asus making the Nexus 7 I expect profits to be back in growing mode this quarter.
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You are funny. HTC posted losses two quarters in a row? Linkage please.
(you do realize that lower profits != losses, right?)
With Asus making the Nexus 7 I expect profits to be back in growing mode this quarter.
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Deleted member 13524
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Look, neither of these statements is even remotely true. They're a bit absurd, actually
Even the Lumia 800 costs well above 1/2 the price of the most expensive 4S.
Maybe you're comparing carrier subsidized prices but that's completely inaccurate for comparing prices. You pay a small amount upfront and then you pay the rest for 18/24 months.
Do you know how much more Nokia lost than all the other Android makers combined?
Yeah, "everyone else is losing money on Android so who cares"?
Afaict HTC didn't post losses two quarters in a row. It posted lower-than-expected profits of ~$250M.
LG's mobile division posted losses of $59M. Motorola posted losses of $223M.
Nokia posted losses of over $1 billion dollars. That's 3x more than the losses of LG and Motorola combined.
And they posted these losses in the same quarter where they sold Vertu for $200M, shut down factores, shut down research centers and fired thousands of people.
It's ludicrous to think Nokia wouldn't have been better off with Android by now or.. heck, even if they scratched MeeGo and decided to keep going with Symbian they would be better.
Android would'be allowed them to:
1 - Keep the deal with Intel -> the most powerful chipset manufacturer in the world
2 - Use their own factories to build Android smartphones, since Google doesn't dictate "factories with special needs" to build Android devices (unlike Microsoft, apparently)
3 - Load an Android ROM into the MeeGo devices and it's done. Almost no delay required, no changes to the hardware whatsoever.
4 - Use their most advanced camera modules in their smartphones
5 - Use up-to-date SoCs troughout 2011
6 - Use up-to-date screens/resolutions
7 - Eventually, just port the Swipe UX into their Android devices
8 - Most importantly, sell devices, make profits, not firing people, not closing factores, not closing research centers, not selling patents.
And I don't even think Android was the best solution. I think the Symbian->MeeGo transition would've been perfect, as long as they solved their execution problems.
It's too bad that the finns seem to hate everything about Symbian and MeeGo though. I don't really get why, I wish my country had been birthplace of those platforms.
Regarding the normal application lifecycle they're really not that different.
WP7: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff817008(v=vs.92).aspx
Android: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#ActivityLifecycle
iOS: https://developer.apple.com/library...ionDelegate_Protocol/Reference/Reference.html
Both Android and iOS notify background applications when the system is running low on memory (onLowMemory, applicationDidReceiveMemoryWarning) so they can free as much memory as possible without terminating, e.g. release caches. Though I believe they issue this notification at different times.
iOS has a restricted set of operations which may run indefinitely in the background. In Android you can create services which run in the background and won't be killed unless there really is no other way (i.e. because higher priority services need more memory).
Uh, exactly what are you hoping to show with those links?
The first says it's possible that HTC might show losses as it launches new handsets - it does not say they lost money.
The second is about share losses - i.e. a drop in share price - not fiscal corporate losses.
Have to say that's a big swing and a miss.
Until you can give us a link for HTC having two consecutive quarters of loss-making your prior claim needs to be retracted.
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Honestly, did you actually read those two links?
Where exactly does it say that HTC posted losses anywhere in H1 2012?
Carrier subsidized prices, lol.
Just as I thought.
Those are all subsidized prices. If you want apples-to-apples (and if you're not dumb enough to buy an on-contract, subsidized and carrier-locked phone) you want to compare the off-contract prices.
Actuals (off-contract) are:
Lumia $450
iPhone 4S $650
Galaxy S3 $550
Thanks. Yeah you're right, you can make apps do the same stuff on all three. AFAIKS onDestroy and applicationWillTerminate should allow you do exactly the same thing as tombstoning on WP7 (drop to zero resources and restore from there).
Here we go.
I'm sorry , I was wrong its just huge revenue declines
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/06/htc-unaudited-q1-2012/
LG
And motorolla
http://articles.marketwatch.com/201...a-mobility-google-ceo-larry-page-nikesh-arora
Its not a rossy picture for andriod phone makers not named Samsung . But of course if nokia went for andriod they would buck the trend and do much better than any of these other companys. Thats what i'm led to believe from all you guys
The vast majority of consumers in the united states buy subsidized phones. Also here in the united states you'd be dumb to pay off contract because the majority of cell phone plans here factor in the subsidized phone and give no discount for bringing your own phone.
So here in the states you can buy a lumia for $50 or a 4s for $200 or you can be dumb and spend the same for a monthly plan and pay $450 or $650 .
It hardly matters since I'm correct in the price diffrences.
tongue_of_colicab
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Not to mention sometimes it's actually cheaper to buy a subsidized phone. For example my contract is 42 euro's a month for a one year contract. If I'd go sim only I would be paying around 20 euros or more for the same. However on my contract I got a HTC Sensation for only 40 euros. So even though I pay 12x20 + 40 more than on a sim only, it's still much cheaper than buying the phone as currently it's still 400 euro's. At the time probably 450 ~ 500.
Unless you want to keep your phone for a long time, atleast in my country, it's cheaper to get a contract with phone. if you want a smartphone that is.
Unless you want to keep your phone for a long time, atleast in my country, it's cheaper to get a contract with phone. if you want a smartphone that is.
tongue_of_colicab
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Well you have to consider the products they put out as well. Don't know about motorola but LG phones are lower build quality than samsung/htc, specs arnt as good, software isn't as good and LG is utter shit at offering updates as well. Now add in that on a contract the price difference between a shitty LG phone and a high end HTC/Samsung model is really small or sometimes there isn't even a difference, and it's not surprising people don't buy LG.
Seems like few are buying motorolla or even htc and the numbers for htc continue to decrease.
So I guess they all just make shit phones ?
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23624612
So even with the windows phone 8 annoucnment sales continue to stay strong and Nokia has double the windows phones they sold last quarter. If momentum keeps up and they keep doubling sales they will be in a stable territory soon. I would expect with all the money being droped in the fall on all the windows 8 adverts that windows phones should increase in sales as well
Not content with massively trolling comment sections and forums with fabricated positive user experiences, the Nokia Army is now taking astroturfing to the next level.
Sure, everyone knows the annoyance of random strangers volunteering opinions when you're discussing a potential purchase with a sales person in a store, but next time try to muster up a warm smile regardlessly. After all, they could really just be tech employees fighting for their jobs.
Sure, everyone knows the annoyance of random strangers volunteering opinions when you're discussing a potential purchase with a sales person in a store, but next time try to muster up a warm smile regardlessly. After all, they could really just be tech employees fighting for their jobs.
Meh , it would have been smarter to just offer classes on the phone. Like twice a week have a rep in the store that will sit down and teach new owners about the phone.
Verizon does this for its two popular phones , for awhie it was the razor max and iphone 4s , now its the galaxy s3 instead of the max .
Verizon also has reps from motorolla that come in and set up a table and show off the phones that they have.
Verizon does this for its two popular phones , for awhie it was the razor max and iphone 4s , now its the galaxy s3 instead of the max .
Verizon also has reps from motorolla that come in and set up a table and show off the phones that they have.
Silent_Buddha
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Yes, but apparently while it is OK for Samsung, Apple, and Motorola to do it, it is somehow bad when Nokia does it. 
Erm, OK.
Regards,
SB
Erm, OK.Regards,
SB
