NoA: Revolution very sleek. uses standard DVD. horizontally.

[Megadrive1988]

you think the "Nexus" was a good fake? you ain't seen NOTHING yet.


get a load of THIS fake:


https://myhome.cavtel.net:7443/users/kfogg@cavtel.net/
https://myhome.cavtel.net:7443/users/kfogg@cavtel.net/Nintendo-ON-Revolution.wmv


(sorry if already posted before)

 

[mckmas8808]

If thats a fake then it has to be the best fake I have ever seen in my life.
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[Teasy]

It won't be a beast like Xenon and PS3 then!

Yeah right... you give XBox 360 far too much credit and Nintendo nowhere near enough.

 

[Nexiss]

That was a pretty cool (fake) video.

 

[Teasy]

That was amazing.. how the fuck did someone fake that???

 

[Pozer]

Have to chime in here... It was smart move for Nintendo to go with standard DVD drive because at this point nobody can afford to fill a 40 gig BR/HD-DVD drive with content. It saves them money and it gets them into the market quicker. Only setback i see is in a couple of years bigger games may come on 2 dics and large RPG's 3 tops... Big deal its a non-issue.

 

[function]

It won't be a beast like Xenon and PS3 then!

Yeah right... you give XBox 360 far too much credit and Nintendo nowhere near enough.

What does credit have to do with this? If you're going for a small, slim console, how are you going to cram in the heatpipes and multiple fans that it'll take to cool a system that's consuming several hundred Watts of power?

You love Nintendo dearly, but please understand that what you put in a console, and how big, expensive and powerful it is, is not a matter of "who's best" but about making hardware that will allow you to make a profit. If Nintendo want to make a slimline console that they can sell cheap (like the GC) then they *aren't* persuing the same line of high power technology that MS have (and Sony will).

And that's in line with everything Nintendo have ever produced. Nintendo would rather have fat profits than have someone on the internt give them credit for making a cutting edge machine (something their fans will give them credit for anyway).

 

[Astroshock]

How much does a blue diode cost? I would say a wireless controller would cost more then Blu Ray. I am just talking hardware. Not discs, or how much time it takes to program software or firmware. Pure hardware side of things. A blue diode won't cost that much. It will draw a lot of people towards the ps3 too.

Anyway, back on topic. It would be hard to believe that Nintendo can squeeze as much power as the 360 has in such a little space. How can it be so revolutionary, yet so small?

 

[jvd]

Why don't you ever seem to attack M$ or Nintendo as hard as you do Sony? Yeah everything that you said "could" happen, but can't the same be same about the others. I could easily say the following

Heh don't like what i have to say so you dismiss it by trying to paint me as anti sony ?

Fact is i've already said in the xbox360 hd-dvd thread that i t would be nice but it would come at the cost of something else in the system even if they got the drives at cost .

As for you saying the following you've been saying it all through the thread. You've been predicting failure for ms because it doesn't have bluray .

1. Xbox still charging gamers to get a full online experince instead of doing what Nintendo is doing which is giving us a free online expirence could hurt M$.

It certianly could . Your right , I think it hurt live this generation .

2. Making the console white and not sexy might not appeal to certain gamers therefore losing millions of consumers.

Those are opinions , for every person who doesn't like the x360 i'm sure there is a person who does . Personaly i've allways liked black more . But i really did like my white dreamcast . But if you have the system in a entertainment setup most likely your going to only see the front of it and ms is letting you change the color and design of the front . So many wont just be stuck with the white design .

3. Releasing a console so fast could end up being a Xbox 1.5 compared to PS3, which could hurt M$.

It could but current rumor is ps3 in march of 06 for japan . If thats true its only about a 5-6 month time diffrence so that would make a ps3 a xbox 1.75 . Heck if nintendo does small form and cost effective it may end up being an xbox 1.50 too.

4. Nintendo could alienate everyday gamers with there direction of totally trying to change gaming.

Yup they certianly can and most likely will if its to radical . Should it stop them from trying though ? Of course not

5. Adding a 20GB harddrive could have drove up the cost of the system while they could have something else instead.

It most certianly did no one is argueing that . However this helps with thier micro transfer set up and thier downloadable content .

Perhaps sony will go with a memory card duo set up which would be cool but will end up costing us more in the long run .

We could do this forever. Lets just wait till E3. Then we can get a better grip on things. Just relax jvd you don't have to purely hate Sony.

What because i pointed out that putting a bluray drive in isn't all roses ?

I'm using logic and logic says that if you add something into a system it will increase costs .

 

[Teasy]

Function, Revolution is coming out a year after XBox 360 and technology moves fast. Cutting edge has nothing to do with it, XBox 360 will not be cutting edge in late 2006. If you think it impossible to produce a console as powerful as XBox 360 cheaper and smaller a whole year later then as I said you either give XBox 360 too much credit or Nintendo not enough. Its got nothing to do with my liking Nintendo, its merely logic. GC was released 1 year after PS2, it was cheaper to make, much smaller and more powerful (no matter how much you try to convince people here otherwise).

 

[jvd]

Function, Revolution is coming out a year after XBox 360 and technology moves fast. If you think it impossible to produce a console as powerful as XBox 360 cheaper and smaller

I agree with as powerfull. I don't really agree to much with smaller . If bound by the same process limitations they aren't going to be able to make a chip with the x360 cpu power much smaller than ms has . A gpu on the power scale of the r500 wont be made much smaller and they will still need the cooling .

However if they launch late enough for 65nm then i agree nintendo can easily make a console as powerfull as the x360 and make it smaller and cheaper (of course the x360 will most likely move to 65nm and become cheaper and if ms so choose smaller too)

 

[-NakedZ-]

I remember years back when Nintendo and Xbox fanboys attack every thing PS2. And one of those was PS2's ability to stand vertically. I wonder what they have to say now, now that both Nintendo and MS' next-gen console borrows PS2's design?

- Z

 

[jvd]

I remember years back when Nintendo and Xbox fanboys attack every thing PS2. And one of those was PS2's ability to stand vertically. I wonder what they have to say now, now that both Nintendo and MS' next-gen console borrows PS2's design?

- Z

it was stupid then and its stupid now hopefully the new ones wont scratch the discs like the ps2 did and hopefully we don't need to buy a stand to keep it stable (early japanese ones )

 

[function]

Function, Revolution is coming out a year after XBox 360 and technology moves fast. Cutting edge has nothing to do with it, XBox 360 will not be cutting edge in late 2006. If you think it impossible to produce a console as powerful as XBox 360 cheaper and smaller a whole year later then as I said you either give XBox 360 too much credit or Nintendo not enough. Its got nothing to do with my liking Nintendo, its merely logic. GC was released 1 year after PS2, it was cheaper to make, much smaller and more powerful (no matter how much you try to convince people here otherwise).

I didn't say Nintendo couldn't produce something comparative to Xenon a year later, I said it wouldn't be a beast like Xenon and PS3. It won't follow the same curve, it won't be as cutting edge, it can't be if it's small and doesn't generate lots of heat. *If* Nintendo are going for something small and cheap THEY OBVIOUSLY AREN'T TRYING TO FOLLOW THE SAME PATH AS MS AND SONY. That needed emphasising.

If you come out a year later and offer the same (and we don't know that they will) then you haven't produced a beast. The Radeon 9600 Pro is faster than the GF4, but it came later and wasn't as cutting edge. It was never a "beast" in the same way the GF4 was. It was never supposed to be.

And please stop going on about "unoptimised" EA benchmarks. You have no idea how optimised they were - for any system. If they didn't mean anything EA wouldn't have commissioned them. And it's not just EA that feel there's no real step up in terms of graphics performance.

 

[-NakedZ-]

I remember years back when Nintendo and Xbox fanboys attack every thing PS2. And one of those was PS2's ability to stand vertically. I wonder what they have to say now, now that both Nintendo and MS' next-gen console borrows PS2's design?

- Z

it was stupid then and its stupid now hopefully the new ones wont scratch the discs like the ps2 did and hopefully we don't need to buy a stand to keep it stable (early japanese ones )

And a "self-loading media drive" seems a bit weird position vertically.

And I guess Nintendo is finally going on the same direction as it's competition; DVD drive with movie playback; "packed with power that will enable it to wow players with its graphics;" backward compatible; and stronger online features.

- Z

 

[mckmas8808]

jvd how is a vertical standing console stupid. You are the same guy that stated that if Nintendo alienates gamers with changing gameplay too much then its ok. There is nothing wrong with being able to stand your console up or down. Your choice whats wrong with thing.

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4. Nintendo could alienate everyday gamers with there direction of totally trying to change gaming.

'jvd'

Yup they certianly can and most likely will if its to radical . Should it stop them from trying though ? Of course not

So using your logical shouldn't Sony put in Blu-Ray into the PS3. That shouldn't stop them being that it can't hurt gameplay at all.

You've been predicting failure for ms because it doesn't have bluray .

No I haven't. I think the Xbox 360 will be a M$ success. To them it will be successful. I think they will take more marketshare than they do today, yet still get crushed by Sony in overall sales. I can easily see M$ selling over 40 million Xbox 360s by the time the next-next- generation comes around. At the same time I can see Sony selling over 100 million PS3s around the same time.
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[Teasy]

Function

Ok well I assumed when you said it will not be a beast like XBox 360 you meant it will not be as powerful a console.. But whatever, glad that's cleared up.

As for EA's benchmarks, it was an early test with GC hardware using a multi-platform engine, what does that tell you? We have enough real games out to judge this kind of thing without needing to base our opinions on a very old and vague benchmark.

 

[jvd]

jvd how is a vertical standing console stupid. You are the same guy that stated that if Nintendo alienates gamers with changing gameplay too much then its ok. There is nothing wrong with being able to stand your console up or down. Your choice whats wrong with thing.

because the disc drive is now also vertical , which causes the disc to move back and forth in the drive bay .

So using your logical shouldn't Sony put in Blu-Ray into the PS3. That shouldn't stop them being that it can't hurt gameplay at all.

but it wont help gameplay . Bluray has nothing to do with the console or the games . I buy a console for games first everything else is second . Online play , downloads for games , a new control scheme , vr all that stuff would add to the gameplay . A bluray drive will not , it will just add capactiy which you could get by adding more discs that cost 30cents .

Its not a 2 hour movie that you would have to change discs for , which i agree would be annoying . But changing a dvd once during a 30-40 hour video game ? its no problem at all .

I can easily see M$ selling over 40 million Xbox 360s by the time the next-next- generation comes around. At the same time I can see Sony selling over 100 million PS3s around the same time.

I see it going like this ms 40-50million , sony 80-90 million , nintendo 30million .

I def think sony is going to loose market share and that is a good thing as it will create a huge price war between sony and ms that will lower prices for us quicker .

 

[Entropy]

I didn't say Nintendo couldn't produce something comparative to Xenon a year later, I said it wouldn't be a beast like Xenon and PS3. It won't follow the same curve, it won't be as cutting edge, it can't be if it's small and doesn't generate lots of heat.

You know, there are some people who actually wouldn't see it as a drawback if the Revolution turns out to be " small and doesn't generate lots of heat". They might even see it as an advantage.

 

[mckmas8808]

but it wont help gameplay . Bluray has nothing to do with the console or the games . I buy a console for games first everything else is second . Online play , downloads for games , a new control scheme , vr all that stuff would add to the gameplay . A bluray drive will not , it will just add capactiy which you could get by adding more discs that cost 30cents .

Its not a 2 hour movie that you would have to change discs for , which i agree would be annoying . But changing a dvd once during a 30-40 hour video game ? its no problem at all

Wasn't a positive for blu-ray was that the transfer rates are WAY faster than DVDs. How can that not help gameplay.

jvd quote

def think sony is going to loose market share and that is a good thing as it will create a huge price war between sony and ms that will lower prices for us quicker.

M$ can add overall units sold without Sony losing marketshare. If the overall number of gamers grow this can expand M$ marketshare. Also helping Sony. If your numbers are correct wouldn't that be an obvious victory for Sony over M$ and Nintendo?
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