NoA: Revolution very sleek. uses standard DVD. horizontally.

[DuckThor Evil]

I don't see the point in bluray or hddvd right now for games they will be using maybe 10% of the disc space and there are no movies out now that support either format and probally won't be untill after the ps3 comes out

I can't believe that smart, thoughtful, and informed people here at beyond3d can say things like this. I totally respect your feelings but isn't this a NEXT-GEN console. Did you know that games were made on CDs when the PS2 was first sold, thus the purple backside. Games will grow as time go on. That the Xbox 1.5 thinking in you pegisys. 1.5 is not what I want, I want whole numbers baby. Give me something that in 3 years I won't regret buying.

Who wants to buy a $300 console just to buy a $500 dollar Next-Gen media player to watch HD movies on. Come on guys please lets think logically here.

Well I'm going to buy next gen consoles first and foremost to play games not to watch movies, and 8,5GB on a single disc is enough, if not just use two. Games don't need more than that.

 

[Iron Tiger]

The cube didn't suffer terribly from lower-volume discs, and that didn't come out too long ago.

Ohh they didn't did they. Hmmm with no disrepect to the Nintendo fanbase but M$ did come out in its first gen and beat Nintendo as far as systems sold. If you were able to view movies on the GC I think that would have pushed the console past the Xbox. Nintendo sometimes places themselves to lose, just to be original. Sometimes doing what others do is a good thing.

Look at the fact that Nintendo didn't follow the world with online play. Now we can look back and say "oh yeah that did hurt the GC, thus why they are pushing it next-gen". Trust me movie play back and online play would have pushed the GC past Xbox but hey Nintendo is Nintendo. What can I say.

Before this console generation, Japan had a low adoption rate for DVD hardware and media, mainly because it was too expensive. When the PS2 came out, they bought them in droves and left most of the games on the shelf, in favor of movies. When the Xbox and Gamecube came out, they left the Xbox on the shelf because they'd already gotten their DVD players, and were more concerned with other factors (like games, national pride, and controller ergonomics). For the most part, other territories were already stocked up on affordable DVD players, too. Few people bought the Xbox for its DVD playback, because it cost more than a PS2 to get that functionality. And for the cost difference at launch (and even today), you could get a Gamecube and a separate DVD player instead of an Xbox.

 

[Li Mu Bai]

You absolutely do not need a "next-gen" format like BR to be successful, or even capture a large segment of the market as long as you support HDTV resolutions, an online component, & possibly DVD playback. To even insinuate otherwise is folly, the casuals I assure you, could care less.

 

[rabidrabbit]

And so begins the 5 page argument whether PS2 was a driving force in increasing the number of DVD players or not.....

 

[mckmas8808]

You absolutely do not need a "next-gen" format like BR to be successful, or even capture a large segment of the market as long as you support HDTV resolutions, an online component, & possibly DVD playback.

Yeah you don't "got" to have it. I don't really need doors on my car either but I'm glad I do.(Think UPS drivers) You catch my drift. So, Li mu Bai I guess you have to support HD resolution thou. Ok support HD games but not full HD movies. Last generation I remember people actually saying that the online side of gaming would not be that big of a deal. Now look at the main problem with GT4. NO online play. You have to understand next-gen media is needed.

8,5GB on a single disc is enough, if not just use two. Games don't need more than that.

Oh so I guess 6 years ago when gamers didn't really need more than 700 MBs of gaming space moving to a DVD format was not needed either huh? So when the PS4 is released why not make the system with a DVD tray too. According to you the DVD media should be used for gaming for over a decade. Why not go back to games on CDs and releasing them on 4 CDs. That sounds like a good idea right?

Please, by 2008 all games on the PS3 will be using the next gen media if Sony decides to put in the PS3. You watch and see.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

8,5GB on a single disc is enough, if not just use two. Games don't need more than that.

Oh so I guess 6 years ago when gamers didn't really need more than 700 MBs of gaming space moving to a DVD format was not needed either huh? So when the PS4 is released why not make the system with a DVD tray too. According to you the DVD media should be used for gaming for over a decade. Why not go back to games on CDs and releasing them on 4 CDs. That sounds like a good idea right?

Please, by 2008 all games on the PS3 will be using the next gen media if Sony decides to put in the PS3. You watch and see.

Somebody here want's to watch a lot fmv that's for sure...
Did I say that dvd will last forever, no I said it's enough for next gen, maybe some reading lessons are in order.

 

[mckmas8808]

Do you also think that 700 MBs were enough last gen? Of course in hind sight your answer is going to be no. Just simplying put few games today are limited to the 8.5 GBs of space. Lets read that again, few games today are limited to the 8.5 GBs of space. Thats this gen. So, why should next-gen with great games like MGS4 and GT5 be limited to a media that they have already maxed and had to cut stuff out because of it.

Can you understand Konami had to cut stuff out of the game due to limited space. This is in 2004, not 2009. Imagne what MGS4 or 5 will produce with double or triple the space. Ahh gamers heaven that what.

But remember Dr. Evil I do respect your opinion, so don't think that I'm trying to flame you. Just disagreeing agreeably.
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[PC-Engine]

If it's true ragarding the drive, then I guess PS3 would be the only next-gen console to feature next-gen DVD format, huh? Another plus for Sony entering the next-gen, IMO.

MS: Welcome to the HD Era!
Sony: HD Era our ***. Not with non-HD format you won't.

- Z

If a unified format is not decided upon, PS3 will be in deep sh*t if it can only play BR movies.

 

[PARANOiA]

Oh so I guess 6 years ago when gamers didn't really need more than 700 MBs of gaming space moving to a DVD format was not needed either huh?

PS1 had games coming on 3 and 4 cd's. No this gen game has has multiple DVD's to my knowledge. If you can't even FILL it yet, what's the point?

I'm yet to see you make one single point that's valid.

 

[PC-Engine]

Hey can we get back on topic? Anyway I'm thinking if it's true that Revolution is the same size as 3 stacked DVD cases and if it uses a top loading design like PSTwo, then surely you could stand it vertically too since you can stand a PSTwo vertically.

Anyway I'm hoping they collaborate with Panasonic and come up with a very sleak and sexy design.

 

[London Geezer]

Oh so I guess 6 years ago when gamers didn't really need more than 700 MBs of gaming space moving to a DVD format was not needed either huh?

PS1 had games coming on 3 and 4 cd's. No this gen game has has multiple DVD's to my knowledge. If you can't even FILL it yet, what's the point?

I'm yet to see you make one single point that's valid.

I'm quite sure there are a couple of games that came in 2 discs, but i'm not sure if it was for storage reasons...
What i'm thinking is, if a dev wants to put some HD-res FMV in the game (cause you know they'll want to do that), that will take some space.
Also, full 5.1 soundtrack for a whole game occupies a bit of space.
And i HATE disc swapping. But i can get over it.

If a unified format is not decided upon, PS3 will be in deep sh*t if it can only play BR movies.

Well i think it's broader than that, If a unified format won't be agreed upon and Sony only releases BR players, then they're in trouble although they do have enough material to release many titles.
If Sony starts releasing players that can read both formats, that's fine. PS3 will still be able to play all the many titles Sony will release.

Personally, i think PS3 will either have a normal DVD drive or a hybrid (either hybrid format or hybrid double-format drive).

 

[rabidrabbit]

That Sony/Onkyo thing looks like it had been some inspiration to the xbox360 design.

I'm not sure if I'd like a very hifi style console design, at least not the standard 42cm wide. The smaller my console the better.

If the next gen HD movie standard will be two competing camps, I don't see why Sony would be in any deeper shit if PS3 would only be able to play BR movies than MS would be by being only able to play DVD or Nintendo only mini HD-DVD's.

In that case, Sony would actually be in strongest position from consoles regarding high def movie playback.

And certainly, in time that would only be +1 to the BR market adoption.

If the HD-DVD and BR do not reach an agreement in an unified standard, I do think Sony should take the risk and release the PS3 with BR, as I do believe the PS3 will have a huge impact on next gen high def format adoption. It would be ignoring the facts to claim otherwise.

 

[PC-Engine]

That Sony/Onkyo thing looks like it had been some inspiration to the xbox360 design.

I'm not sure if I'd like a very hifi style console design, at least not the standard 42cm wide. The smaller my console the better.

Oh I totally agree. A standard 17" HiFi wide console is a big no no. Half the width at 8-9" is cool though.

 

[therealskywolf]

I don't see the point in bluray or hddvd right now for games they will be using maybe 10% of the disc space and there are no movies out now that support either format and probally won't be untill after the ps3 comes out

I can't believe that smart, thoughtful, and informed people here at beyond3d can say things like this. I totally respect your feelings but isn't this a NEXT-GEN console. Did you know that games were made on CDs when the PS2 was first sold, thus the purple backside. Games will grow as time go on. That the Xbox 1.5 thinking in you pegisys. 1.5 is not what I want, I want whole numbers baby. Give me something that in 3 years I won't regret buying.

Who wants to buy a $300 console just to buy a $500 dollar Next-Gen media player to watch HD movies on. Come on guys please lets think logically here.

That is sooooo stupid. We are talking about CONSOLES!!!! Main purpose of a console is GAMING!!!! And HD GAMING is possibly on today's DVd's.

And if this format fusion actually happens, there's a high probabilitie that the Ps3 wont have a next gen Format in it, because they dont need the console to seel the format anymore.

 

[rabidrabbit]

I haven't much followed Panasonic on the HiFi front, but I have the impression their designs do not appeal much, at least to me.
They did a cute job on that GC/DVD thing, although it might have been a bit too flashy for my taste.
I'd be interested to see some of the better Panasonic designs, links?

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Do you also think that 700 MBs were enough last gen? Of course in hind sight your answer is going to be no. Just simplying put few games today are limited to the 8.5 GBs of space. Lets read that again, few games today are limited to the 8.5 GBs of space. Thats this gen. So, why should next-gen with great games like MGS4 and GT5 be limited to a media that they have already maxed and had to cut stuff out because of it.

Can you understand Konami had to cut stuff out of the game due to limited space. This is in 2004, not 2009. Imagne what MGS4 or 5 will produce with double or triple the space. Ahh gamers heaven that what.

But remember Dr. Evil I do respect your opinion, so don't think that I'm trying to flame you. Just disagreeing agreeably.

I don't think Konami left anything important out, otherwise they would have released it in 2 dvd's. I remember when I played Final Fantasy 8 and 9 and had to swap cd's like every ten hours, it wasn't the most fun I ever had, but didn't really bother me at all. PC games today has high res graphics and movies, but they don't need 5 dvd's why should next gen console games need that. Hey I would also like to have next gen drive on my consoles, but to me it's not the end of the world if they don't have em.

As for the topic, yes small is nice, but in the end what does it matter, why does everything has to be small?.

 

[London Geezer]

Dumb question:

Will the water cooling solution in X360 allow for a smaller case design?

 

[PC-Engine]

I haven't much followed Panasonic on the HiFi front, but I have the impression their designs do not appeal much, at least to me.
They did a cute job on that GC/DVD thing, although it might have been a bit too flashy for my taste.
I'd be interested to see some of the better Panasonic designs, links?

Panasonic's better looking stuff are only available in Japan. Sorry no links.

 

[London Geezer]

Personally i LOVE the new Panasonic plasmas... They're called liek a footballer... or something.

Panasonic does really cool stuff.

 

[rabidrabbit]

Anyone can make a good looking flatscreen.
Just put it in a glossy black frame with some discreet leds and controls, there you have a stylish plasma!

... quess I'll just have to google the goodlooking japanese panasonics myself then.
...their d-snap range looks good (portable mp3, digicams..), but the Diga range DVD gear seems to be the same ugly ones that are available elsewhere.