NoA: Revolution very sleek. uses standard DVD. horizontally.
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Champions of Norrath on PS2 was dual layer, and had glitches as a result. Its sequel RTA was single layer, losing out the random dungeons.
Seeing how dual-layer was needed for random dungeons, I'd expect more than DVD storage would be need for next-gen random world creation. Unless they've got procedural worlds down to a fine and clever art.
Seeing how dual-layer was needed for random dungeons, I'd expect more than DVD storage would be need for next-gen random world creation. Unless they've got procedural worlds down to a fine and clever art.
Evil_Cloud
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Can we get back to topic or will anyone open a thread about dvd's and layers?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Iron Tiger
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If today's consoles are already filling up today's DVDs, then we really need a bigger storage format. Unless, of course, you want to be playing tomorrow's games with today's textures, models, sounds, etc.therealskywolf said:
Having a 2-disc non-linear game requires a lot of planning, and then you still don't get the full capacity of both discs because a lot of the same material has to reside on both discs. Character models, sounds, worlds (for backtracking). A game developer would much rather develop for 1 large disc than 2 smaller discs.Dr Evil said:
mckmas8808
Legend
San Andreas and MGS3 were DL. Both of those games pretty much filled up the disc. I can't imagne huge games in the year 2009 still using DVDs. Some people are the biggest hypocrites in the world. I remember months back when everybody thought that the Xbox 360 was going to have HD-DVD and the PS3 was going to have Blu-Ray
Most people said that one was needed for bigger levels, more music, characters, etc. And doesn't the blu-ray and hd-dvd disc have faster transfer rates, therefore improving games? Come guys please understand what me and someothers are trying to say.
We don't need wireless controllers, mircotrasactions, or a 20 GB hard drive but I'm glad that M$ included it. I know whatever Nintendo comes up with in the NR we as gamers could go without.
And people saying "my console is for gaming and I don't care about movies". Well for $299 I want the most for my money period.
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Most people said that one was needed for bigger levels, more music, characters, etc. And doesn't the blu-ray and hd-dvd disc have faster transfer rates, therefore improving games? Come guys please understand what me and someothers are trying to say.
We don't need wireless controllers, mircotrasactions, or a 20 GB hard drive but I'm glad that M$ included it. I know whatever Nintendo comes up with in the NR we as gamers could go without.
And people saying "my console is for gaming and I don't care about movies". Well for $299 I want the most for my money period.
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mckmas8808 said:
invest in mutual funds.
seriously, we all want the biggest and bestes, but what's wrong with a 8.4G medium? if that can buy me a better overall _gaming_ machine then all power to ninty. it's a trade-offs game, ya know. answer yourself the folloing: given that this gen the GC had the smallest medium, do you have any complaints about the content quality of GC games?
To get this thread back on track
An official Nintendo article:
http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=9594f668-5342-4b38-8eb1-d6bf479c4139&page=home
Slot loading? Yay! Only a little longer than a DVD case is impressive too..I can't imagine it's too deep so either. This thing will have to try hard not to look sexy.
An official Nintendo article:
http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=9594f668-5342-4b38-8eb1-d6bf479c4139&page=home
Slot loading? Yay! Only a little longer than a DVD case is impressive too..I can't imagine it's too deep so either. This thing will have to try hard not to look sexy.
with hardrives and 3dc and other compression you don't need that disc space if it will extract what is need to the harddrive, I haven't heard anything final about a version of xbox360 without a harddrive I know they said it would come with a 20gig and it will be upgradable and from whats going around nintendo will have one too
and I think the biggest game that came out this gen was eternal darkness it was 9gb and nintendo compressed it down to fit on a 1.5GB disc the problem was noone used this compression but nintendo maybe the will be more willing to share now.
and I think the biggest game that came out this gen was eternal darkness it was 9gb and nintendo compressed it down to fit on a 1.5GB disc the problem was noone used this compression but nintendo maybe the will be more willing to share now.
I don't think anybody would disagree that there are some very nice things about Bluray and HD-DVD. I think the point is that there are also some very obvious risks involved in going with them.
Yes the space is nice and games will continue to grow, especially if they have a medium that allows them to do so. However, if at the start the games aren't taking advantage of this, then what can Sony say? "Well movies will start coming out on these too and you'll start to see the difference in the future."
To reiterate, I don't think there is any doubt that there are some nice things about Bluray, but to not acknowledge the risks involved would be foolish from a business perspective.
mckmas8808
Legend
Was that a joke? If it was it was funny.
Yeah even I could make this console sexy if I had that kind of technology. Nintendo is super smart. I can't wait to see this. You know the NR kinda sounds like the slim-line PS2. I hope it sexy.
Nexiss I do understand the risk. But if Sony puts in the Blu-Ray tri-head, then the risk is small. Why is everybody here stating that Sony will lose plenty of money implementing the Blu-Ray drive, yet nobody is doubting Nintendo's super small compact next-gen device. Surely that will cost right?
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Iron Tiger
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Self-loading doesn't mean slot loading. At least not in this case. How are you going to get both GC and full sized discs to load in a slotted machine? I think they are talking about a tray like Xbox and PS2.Titanio said:
Why does the super small ps2 cost alot of money ? Size doesn't matter . If nintendo goes with a lower clocked cpu and gpu then they might not need alot of case room for cooling .
As for bluray .
If a bluray drive costs twice the amount of a 12x dvd drive (for the sake of argument . ) you will loose alot of money . If a 12x dvd drive is 1 $ and a bluray drive is 2$ and sony sells 10 million in the first year thats 20 million vs 10 million . That is a huge cost diffrence. Now we all know a dvd drive isn't going to cost 1$ its more likely around 10-15$ for ms buying in huge quanitys .
These are huge numbers . Hd-dvd is launching this year and should have alot of titles out . It may also cost less out of the bat . So even though bluray will be in the ps3 it might not win the format wars . Which will mean the price of bluray will scale even slower .
Now take into account that ever 1$ spent on something could have been spent on something else and it may very well be likely that the ps3 will have bluray and end not being much of a improvement spec wise of the xenon.
mckmas8808
Legend
Because they made old technology smaller. Next gen tech normally is bigger than past tech. When Nintendo pulls this off this will be a change in past trends and kudos to Nintendo for being able to do that.
Well thats the risk that Sony hopefully will take with the PS3. Right now we're guessing that there will be no deal between Toshiba and Sony. If there is everything that you are saying now will be mute. If they don't make a deal then yes it will be a huge risk but what is Sony making Blu-Ray for. Sony already knows that they are going to sell 70 to 100 million PS3s so why not include it. No one HD-DVD player will sell that many.
well it sounds like nintendo will be launching in summer for japan . Which means they may be able to release a x360 power wise console on a smaller micron process .
But regardless look at the cube and the xbox , they released around the same time and the cube is much much smaller than the box
It can be a very huge risk that can bankrupt sony . If they are loosing that much money on a console and are in a price war with nintendo and ms and suddenly thier video format is a lame duck they will be loosing a ton of money on the console and not have any other advantage than storage space from it which will most likely not make up for the costs .
Or they could agree and merge and not have the merged standard come out till the end of 2006 , making the ps3 launch later or launch with out a next gen console . The more time you give ms as the only next gen console the further thier lead becomes .
Not to mention that then ms can launch a x360 with a hd-dvd drive just for movies
Do they ? What if they don't ?
over the course of 5 years i'm sure they will . If hd-dvd comes out this year and is able to drop in price quickly i see no reason why .
Look , when you look at these things you have to understand that there are many diffrent things going on and many angles people have to look at esp the companys .
Right now there are no next gen optical drives and ms can't afford (Even more so than sony ) to stick in a drive and have it turn out to be the wrong one . Because of that they saved money and perhaps were able to put in another 256 megs of ram .
Nintendo perhaps went with a slim notebook sized dvd player instead of a hd-dvd drive or bluray drive as they could get it for much less and make a smaller console .
Sony on the hother hand may launch the ps3 with a bluray drive but because of it may only have 256 megs of ram .
There are many things that adding bluray may take out or change .
mckmas8808
Legend
Why don't you ever seem to attack M$ or Nintendo as hard as you do Sony? Yeah everything that you said "could" happen, but can't the same be same about the others. I could easily say the following.
1. Xbox still charging gamers to get a full online experince instead of doing what Nintendo is doing which is giving us a free online expirence could hurt M$.
2. Making the console white and not sexy might not appeal to certain gamers therefore losing millions of consumers.
3. Releasing a console so fast could end up being a Xbox 1.5 compared to PS3, which could hurt M$.
4. Nintendo could alienate everyday gamers with there direction of totally trying to change gaming.
5. Adding a 20GB harddrive could have drove up the cost of the system while they could have something else instead.
We could do this forever. Lets just wait till E3. Then we can get a better grip on things. Just relax jvd you don't have to purely hate Sony.
But I still do think that Nintendo making a system super small is a great idea.
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1. Xbox still charging gamers to get a full online experince instead of doing what Nintendo is doing which is giving us a free online expirence could hurt M$.
2. Making the console white and not sexy might not appeal to certain gamers therefore losing millions of consumers.
3. Releasing a console so fast could end up being a Xbox 1.5 compared to PS3, which could hurt M$.
4. Nintendo could alienate everyday gamers with there direction of totally trying to change gaming.
5. Adding a 20GB harddrive could have drove up the cost of the system while they could have something else instead.
We could do this forever. Lets just wait till E3. Then we can get a better grip on things. Just relax jvd you don't have to purely hate Sony.
But I still do think that Nintendo making a system super small is a great idea.
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