Nintendo 3DS business/general talk *spin-off feat. 3DS as a P.I. in New Orleans

[eastmen]

Yes you can buy a sd card reader and three sd cards and get an iPad with 64gb of available data for the same price of a basic model wifi only 32 gb xoom or tab 10.1 which both carry that lousy deal of $100 for an extra lousy 16gb. Or you can get an android tablet with a smartphone os who will probably never see real support for tab based apps or an upgrade path to 3.0 the google tab os. If you get a g tab, remember they come with the proprietary interface pdmi which requires a dock for hdmi out if I'm not mistaken.

But i never said the xoom or tab 10.1 are good deals. I can buy an assus transformer for $400 and buy 5 16GB cards before i get to the price of the ipad base unit with 16GB of flash.

last i checked the ipad also uses a smart phone os and last i've seen the andriod tablet 3.0 is already getting real tablet apps.

I of course will simply buy a windows tab cause it does what i need

So you peruse you video catalog on a ds with a screen not much bigger than what's comes on your camcorder. Aren't tv connections wire standard accessory for most camcorders?

No , I game on my 3DS thats why i bought it , cause it games better than a tablet or a phone.

Im in no way trying to convince you that grievances with the ipad dont have merit when it comes to you. The reality is your dislike of some of the limitations of the iPad does not resonate strong enough with the overall consumer base to dissuade the iPad from eating up the vast majority of the tab market share. Most users of the iPad have no problem accepting the limitation of the hardware especially in comparison to a ds or PSP where utility and uses are far in favor of the iPad outside of high end portable games.

Netbooks.

Thats all i really have to say. Netbooks were the hot new fad and when people saw they couldn't replace their laptops or handhelds they left them in droves and now the market is almost dead.

Who is to say that wont be the same problem with the ipad in another year. In fact it may be a bigger fall from grace as the ipad will be refreshed and made obsolete alot more often than the netbooks were

And?

For me that utility falls way down the list of features and uses that I will consider before purchasing. What if I brought out my iPad and showed you more iPad apps on my 16gb iPad than the total number honeycomb based apps on google android market.

Lol and you think that will stay that way ? Besides what if i brought my tablet to you and started playing crysis 2 on it. Cause i can actually do that currently. Or how about i show you my tablet running steam and all its games or all the real computer programs out there.

Andriod 3.0 will get more and more apps as time goes on , aside from that it hardly matters how many apps there are it matters if the apps you want are on it and the most popular apps will quickly get upgraded

i'm stuck with expensive add ons for the ipad 2 for the life time of the device.


I buy a 3DS and i can continue using new software on it for 5-6 years mabye more. With the ipad 2 will that be the case ? Or will for double the investment will I have to upgrade it twice /three /four times more often at double the cost.

Buy an ipad 1 for $500 earlier in the year and when ipad 3 comes out the ipad 1 runs new games and apps horribly so you need to upgrade so you buy an ipad 3 , when ipad 5 comes out the ipad 3 plays stuff horribly so you have to buy the ipad 5 . So your spending $500 a pop for something that still has no dedicated games.

Rather spend $250 once every half a decade than $1500 to keep up with my gaming. Its why consoles became more popular than pcs for gaming. It was cheaper

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Netbooks.

Thats all i really have to say. Netbooks were the hot new fad and when people saw they couldn't replace their laptops or handhelds they left them in droves and now the market is almost dead.

Who is to say that wont be the same problem with the ipad in another year. In fact it may be a bigger fall from grace as the ipad will be refreshed and made obsolete alot more often than the netbooks were

Apple never had those netbooks. The Pad is here to stay and the business is going to grow like a mofo. It does lot's of stuff so well that it will remain usefull. Netbooks did some things ok. I think Ipad is going to own the other pad vendors for years to come.

 

[Xmas]

Besides what if i brought my tablet to you and started playing crysis 2 on it. Cause i can actually do that currently. Or how about i show you my tablet running steam and all its games

Which of course you won't be able to actually play unless you bring a mouse and keyboard along.

So your spending $500 a pop for something that still has no dedicated games.

iPad (or tablets in general) doesn't have "dedicated games"? Does your definition of "dedicated" involve buttons?

Rather spend $250 once every half a decade than $1500 to keep up with my gaming. Its why consoles became more popular than pcs for gaming. It was cheaper

Except that's not true if you need a PC anyway.

 

[eastmen]

Which of course you won't be able to actually play unless you bring a mouse and keyboard along.

My tablet has a keyboard and mouse built in

iPad (or tablets in general) doesn't have "dedicated games"? Does your definition of "dedicated" involve buttons?

I meant dedicated buttons , sorry it was 2:30 in the morning

Except that's not true if you need a PC anyway.

I'd need a computer if i bought an ipad/andriod tablet or a 3ds .

Even if you want to try and claim tha the ipad is a pc (which i laugh at) and i needed to buy a pc also with my 3DS . I'd then have two devices that do a better job than the ipad does and i would still end up paying less in the long run

 

[RudeCurve]

The xbox 360 had the same problems it was stupid to buy a core + hardrive vs just the premium version and their hardrives were allways priced out of line . 20gig hardrive in 2005 for $100 was nuts. But don't you think 16GB for $100 in 2011 is even crazier ?

Even now with the xbox 360 s the hardrive is still to expensive but its $100 for 250gigs vs 16GB for $100 .

Dude stop with the BS you're comparing hd capacity pricing with flash capacity pricing. Might as well add SSD pricing to the mix...

Oh as for pricing of accessories....MS HDMI dongle retail for $50...even Nintendo price gouges remember the price of the GC component cable? Or how about the EDTV Wii cable?

 

[Arwin]

Except that's not true if you need a PC anyway.

To me, though that may be just Europe, that figure sounds right ever after deduction of the 399 I paid for my PC, which looks set to last 5 years easily, just like all my previous PCs did (even if they sometimes went to serve someone else because I did do PC gaming in my past).

 

[eastmen]

Dude stop with the BS you're comparing hd capacity pricing with flash capacity pricing. Might as well add SSD pricing to the mix...

Oh as for pricing of accessories....MS HDMI dongle retail for $50...even Nintendo price gouges remember the price of the GC component cable? Or how about the EDTV Wii cable?

what hdmi dongle ? The 360s eithe rsupport hdmi with just an hdmi cable or do not support an hdmi cable no matter what you buy.

the component wii cables only cost me $25 bucks which seems to be in line with other component cables on the market

 

[RudeCurve]

what hdmi dongle ? The 360s eithe rsupport hdmi with just an hdmi cable or do not support an hdmi cable no matter what you buy.

the component wii cables only cost me $25 bucks which seems to be in line with other component cables on the market

Are you serious man? You of all people with friends working at GS never heard of the MS HDMI AV cable/dongle?

Here let me refresh your memory.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Microsoft-HDMI-AV-Cable-Xbox-360-Xbox-360/7080193

 

[Xmas]

My tablet has a keyboard and mouse built in

In which case it really belongs to a different product category than the iPad.

I meant dedicated buttons , sorry it was 2:30 in the morning

Some types of games work better using buttons. Some types of games work better using a large touch screen. Neither control scheme is unconditionally superior.

I'd need a computer if i bought an ipad/andriod tablet or a 3ds .

Even if you want to try and claim tha the ipad is a pc (which i laugh at) and i needed to buy a pc also with my 3DS . I'd then have two devices that do a better job than the ipad does and i would still end up paying less in the long run

I was referring to the claim that consoles became more popular than PC gaming because they're cheaper. But that's not true if you need a PC anyway, because the additional cost of making the PC you already need fit for basic gaming isn't that high. (Of course a high end gaming PC costs much more, but if you want PC only games or >1080p with AA/AF consoles aren't an option anyway).

Similarly, getting a smartphone or tablet that is capable of running games does not carry a high additional cost if you already want/need a smartphone or tablet for their non-game uses.

 

[Squilliam]

Maybe the 3DS sales are the first sign that the early adopter crowd has moved away from handheld consoles which indicates a wider industry shift towards phones/tablets? If you have two platforms relatively alike in dignity in this fair gaming market where we lay our scene, in this like for like scenario the smart device style platforms seem to be winning. To clarify, what I mean is that we're now at a point where we can compare a much more similar audience, early adopters of consumer electronics at the same time. So rather than comparing a mature market full of late / slow adopters to one driven entirely by early adopters we can instead compare early adopters of one platform to another. So if one platform with similar capabilities to another in many respects takes off with a bang and the other does somewhat less than expected, can we argue beyond a shadow of a doubt that the former platform did not eat the latter's lunch?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

How does 3DS compare with Samsung's Galaxy Tab for sales?

 

[Squilliam]

How does 3DS compare with Samsung's Galaxy Tab for sales?

How are we supposed to find that out? As far as im aware there are no officially announced Galaxy Tab sales figures!

 

[Rangers]

Found some charts to supposedly show how phone gaming is eating into Nintendo:

and another one less related but interesting

 

[Shifty Geezer]

How are we supposed to find that out? As far as im aware there are no officially announced Galaxy Tab sales figures!

And why isn't NPD telling us this? Tell me why!

 

[ShadowRunner]

Found some charts to supposedly show how phone gaming is eating into Nintendo:

and another one less related but interesting

Those charts alone could be explained by phone gaming expanding the market rather than eating into nintendo. And also dont take into account a possible downturn in DS software sales without phone gaming.

Applying the same conclusion you arrived at to the second chart and we now have to say that the console market is eating into the portable market?

Not that i agree or disagree, just that these types of charts tend to give the illusion of more evidence than they actually provide.

 

[Rangers]

Those charts alone could be explained by phone gaming expanding the market rather than eating into nintendo. And also dont take into account a possible downturn in DS software sales without phone gaming.

Either way, the outcome is the same.

I think we can discard expanding the market because I doubt USA DS software went up from 2009 to 2010 (actually, I'm pretty sure Nintendo financials have that info, though I'm not going to dig for it right now).

 

[ShadowRunner]

Sorry, im not clear what you were saying now. Were you simply saying phone gaming has increased in market share and nintendo decreased? Thats all that these graphs show. I thought you may be implying that these graphs show phone gameing as having a negative effect on DS software sales, which is what my reply was based on.

Im not sure what you mean by discarding expanding the market either, how does phone gaming expanding the market or not have anything to do with DS sales going up or down yoy??

 

[eastmen]

Are you serious man? You of all people with friends working at GS never heard of the MS HDMI AV cable/dongle?

Here let me refresh your memory.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Microsoft-HDMI-AV-Cable-Xbox-360-Xbox-360/7080193

you don't need that for hdmi , you need that for multi channel sound with older xbox and older hardware.

So for example if you have an older reciever that only has a tos you would need that cable to get sound from it. If you have a reciever that takes hdmi input you wouldn't need that cable. If you had a tv with just hdmi inputs you wouldn't need that cable.

The breakout box only came included with the elites of the time .

The $30 cable from apple doesn't allow the use ot tos or even composite cables for multi channel sound

 

[dobwal]

Those charts alone could be explained by phone gaming expanding the market rather than eating into nintendo. And also dont take into account a possible downturn in DS software sales without phone gaming..

Yep, unless you know that NPD stated in their 2010 report that the US games sales have been flat from 2009.

 

[ShadowRunner]

Yep, unless you know that NPD stated in their 2010 report that the US games sales have been flat from 2009.

Portable game sales or the entire games sector? Do NDP even track mobile phone game sales?

Heck the 2009 graph only includes iOS, 2010 graph adds android so skews the whole thing straight away.

Regardless, i dont dissagree with anyones opinions im simply saying all those charts show is market share. They cant be used one their own to show anything else.