Nintendo 3DS business/general talk *spin-off feat. 3DS as a P.I. in New Orleans

[eastmen]

I see the 3ds is off to a bad start in japan, already outsold by the psp last week & theres no supply issues. Though as japan tastes are very different to the rest of the west we'll see whether or not its a worldwide thing, one benefit though I suppose ninentdo can now ship some excess stock from japan to other countries

i bet we will see sales for 3ds take off in japan when zelda oot releases . I'll be the first to say that the 3ds titles aren't very compelling at this point , in june and this fall that will change

 

[Squilliam]

Than we have a dedicated handheld. 250 dollars max, lasts you 6+ years, has good controlls, will get tons of AAA games etc. Very very easy choice for parents/minors if you ask me. In Nintendo's case add in IP that doesnt rely on the ''if it aint got blood, it aint cool'' crowd and Nintendo will always have a huge crow to sell their handhelds to.

How many people actually keep the same handheld for 6+ years without breaking it or having it wear out in either controls or battery? How many kids etc have the same phone 3 years later? 6 years is an incredibly long time for a gadget to be used for many of the target markets this gadget is being sold to. So even if it lasts for 15 years, it won't mean it is actively being used for 15 years.

That is not even counting in the fact that phones/tablets suck major ass if you want to do any decent gaming on them so they will never replace handhelds anyway if you ask me.

I don't buy this. I remember all the talk about how console controllers suck majorly for FPS games especially and yet we see significant strength in the console market for precisely that style of game.

 

[eastmen]

How many people actually keep the same handheld for 6+ years without breaking it or having it wear out in either controls or battery? How many kids etc have the same phone 3 years later? 6 years is an incredibly long time for a gadget to be used for many of the target markets this gadget is being sold to. So even if it lasts for 15 years, it won't mean it is actively being used for 15 years.

well i can buy a ds replacement battery for $5 bucks at the 5 bellow store near me. I don't think this is a valid arguement. Heck the ds battery is only held in by a screw and the 3ds already has batterys online for 10-15 and extended batterys for $20.

I think the point is that the 3DS doesn't have a short life. A cell phone has a year to two life time frame and so does a tablet. We may see an even shorter time frame this year if tegra 3 and the ipad 3 hit later this year there can be tablets twice as powerful out within 6 months of the new stuff

I don't buy this. I remember all the talk about how console controllers suck majorly for FPS games especially and yet we see significant strength in the console market for precisely that style of game.

THe consoles still have dedicated buttons on top of that here are two anlog sticks for control. From what i can tell tablets don't have these things. They are multi touch at best and i really do believe that will hold back certian play experiances.

 

[Brad Grenz]

can you pinpoint when sony started making money from selling only psp hardware ? can you pinpoint when it made enough from hardware only to counter the losses from selling the hardware originaly ?

I don't know, can you document your extraordinary claim that since the PSP was once sold at a loss it never made money?

Also when was the psp the defacto gaming platform in japan ? i don't think thats ever been the case , the ds has shifted more units and more software than sony could dream the psp would do.

When Monster Hunter became synonymous with portable gaming there.

the 3ds is priced high compared to what ? right now there is nothing like it and ngp wont launch for another half a year at least at this point and mabye not even in all the major markets for another year. nintendo can easily drop their price to compete when they have to.

Compared to competing platforms with more capable hardware and added features (NGP and iPod Touch). Obviously they'll reduce price at some point, but that doesn't mean their current pricing doesn't look mighty greedy.

But can it do everything well ? i doubt it dude and whats worse the tech market is going to pass it by rather quickly . they are already talking about a tegra 3 quad core xoom for the fall. which means tablet hardware can already have caught up before the system even releases . then once the ngp rleeases its specs are locked down but there will be more tablets and phones every 3-6 months boasting better and better specs.

Well, we know it can do anything the 3DS can do but store a stylus, and generate glasses-free 3D. And I think you overestimate the frequency with which most people can afford to replace their phones and tablets. And everything you've said is even worse for the 3DS since its hardware is a generation behind the NGP. Or do you really think all those people upgrading their phones every year are still gonna spend money on a 3DS to spend $40 on the next Picross instead of just downloading the next Tiny Wings for 99 cents?

then where will sony be ? it may have better specs than the 3ds but it wont even have nintendo's first party suport . so where would the ngp fit out there ?

It will fit in where the PSP fits in now, as the home of portable games with better fidelity. As the home of Monster Hunter and more console-style games. As the home of all your casual touch titles, too. As the home of classic PSP and PSX games. We've already seen with the N64 and Gamecube that first party Nintendo alone can't carry a platform, not if they can't marry it with a disruptive innovation like touch or motion. And a silly 3D screen is their least compelling gimmick thus far.

 

[eastmen]

I don't know, can you document your extraordinary claim that since the PSP was once sold at a loss it never made money?

I never claimed to know aside from them originaly loosing money. I haven't seen any press releases stating that sony was able to start making profits off the hardware sales alone.

When Monster Hunter became synonymous with portable gaming there.

there are still almost twice as many ds sold in japan and the ds is still moving more hardware. I don't see how a series of games changes that. Not when there is pokemon and other games on the ds selling just as well or better

Compared to competing platforms with more capable hardware and added features (NGP and iPod Touch). Obviously they'll reduce price at some point, but that doesn't mean their current pricing doesn't look mighty greedy.

I'm sorry the NGP costs Infinty billion dollars because no one can buy it right now. So how does it cost ot much compared to something that doesn't exist and doesn't have a price ? Thats just nonsense.

As for the ipod touch the ipod touch 8 gig is $239 and the 16gig is $300. I don't see how its priced to high. THe game selection on the ipod touch is extremely limited to the 3DS's library and unlike the ipod touch the 3DS isn't limited to a fixed extremely small capacity for games. You can swap out carts as you want and even swap out sd cards as you want for more music and video space.

The ipod touch 4G is also a year old and can be replaced with 5g that double its specs (ipad 2 in a phone) at any moment. The ipod touch seems like a very very poor investment.

Well, we know it can do anything the 3DS can do but store a stylus, and generate glasses-free 3D. And I think you overestimate the frequency with which most people can afford to replace their phones and tablets. And everything you've said is even worse for the 3DS since its hardware is a generation behind the NGP. Or do you really think all those people upgrading their phones every year are still gonna spend money on a 3DS to spend $40 on the next Picross instead of just downloading the next Tiny Wings for 99 cents?

The thing the NGP can't do is play GB / GBC / GBA/DS/3DS games and possibly NES /Super NES /N64 games also. It also can't play Nintendo games.

Sonys franchises are not as well known and mean little to over all platform health. We have seen that this generation.

People upgrading their phones every year might not buy a new picross or a 3DS but the vast majority will grow tired really quickly at how fast their shinny new phones can't play games and will instead buy a 3DS . Unless your assuming that each time that person pulls out their phone for a new game and it can't play the game they will go out and spend money on another phone ? Or even if the Tiny wings developer exists in 2 years after everyone on the app store rips off the game and releases them for free with ad support .

It will fit in where the PSP fits in now, as the home of portable games with better fidelity. As the home of Monster Hunter and more console-style games. As the home of all your casual touch titles, too. As the home of classic PSP and PSX games. We've already seen with the N64 and Gamecube that first party Nintendo alone can't carry a platform, not if they can't marry it with a disruptive innovation like touch or motion. And a silly 3D screen is their least compelling gimmick thus far.

Great it has 1 game franchise that is only popular in Japan. So whats it gonig to do everywhere else ?

Remember this device wont hit most of the world until early 2012.

So lets assume the leaked prices are right $250 for ngp (i doubt it ) Whats that going to offer vs buying a Transformer 2 with a quad core tegra 3 this holiday for $400 ? Dedicated controls and sony exclusives and most likely 6-9 months wait ?

Whats it going to offer vs the Xoom 3 next spring or the Transformer 4 next fall . The NGP is going to get exclipsed rather fast . Who's going to want to buy a game on the NGP for $40-$50 bucks when they can buy Tiny wings on their phone right ?

The 3DS fits in because it has the strong brand , it has titles worth spending money on and its price will come down quickly making it ideal to have for when you want a portable device to play dedicated games . Games that you simply can't do on a phone or a pad.

Then again Tablets can be the next great fad. Remember netbooks and how hot they were 2-3 years ago ?

I think you put alot of faith in distractions becoming the new game market instead of simply being distractions. Is angry birds fun ? Yes ... did I beat it ? Yes of course ... Did i sit home playing it for hours on end ? No i played it while on line at the movies or when i was some where that i didn't have my ds with me .

 

[Brad Grenz]

So lets assume the leaked prices are right $250 for ngp (i doubt it ) Whats that going to offer vs buying a Transformer 2 with a quad core tegra 3 this holiday for $400 ? Dedicated controls and sony exclusives and most likely 6-9 months wait ?

Whats it going to offer vs the Xoom 3 next spring or the Transformer 4 next fall . The NGP is going to get exclipsed rather fast . Who's going to want to buy a game on the NGP for $40-$50 bucks when they can buy Tiny wings on their phone right ?

The 3DS fits in because it has the strong brand , it has titles worth spending money on and its price will come down quickly making it ideal to have for when you want a portable device to play dedicated games . Games that you simply can't do on a phone or a pad.

Then again Tablets can be the next great fad. Remember netbooks and how hot they were 2-3 years ago ?

I think you put alot of faith in distractions becoming the new game market instead of simply being distractions. Is angry birds fun ? Yes ... did I beat it ? Yes of course ... Did i sit home playing it for hours on end ? No i played it while on line at the movies or when i was some where that i didn't have my ds with me .

Well, if I want a portable gaming device I'm probably not looking at even less portable tablets at twice the price, so I'm not sure what that proves, even assuming all these quad core android tablets come out this year. Besides, the PSP is almost 7 years old and by virtue of being a stable, dedicated gaming platform the games made for it look better than all but a handful of iOS titles. Few, if any tablet developers are going to be targeting their games exclusively at quad core devices. But all NGP developers will be (PS Suite games excepted).

And your argument would be more convincing if so much of the "DS" brand strength wasn't built precisely on the kind of "distractions" you are now dismissing. If Nintendo can't lean on Nintendogs, Picross, Brain Age, etc, to generate monster sales like they got with the DS, they'll be dependent on more hardcore consumers, and then the question is whether Nintendo franchises alone are enough to hold sway against far more capable hardware, better input, ancillary features, robust download and multiplayer services and potentially broader third party support. I'm not denying there will always be that Mario and Pokemon hardcore market, but the N64 and Gamecube proved that's not enough.

 

[ShadowRunner]

They were making money on PSP for sure at some stage. Sony stated in their financials on a few occasions that the downturn in PSP (and PS2) sales caused bigger loses in there playstation buisness than expected despite improvement in the PS3 situation. If they were making a loss on PSP then a downturn in sales would help there finances, not worsen them.

 

[Arwin]

My thoughts exactly Brad.

And yes, Sony has been selling the PSP hardware at a profit for a very long time already.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

@Brad: Nintendo doesn't need brain training or nintendogs for monster sales. Just look at what NSMB, Mariokart and Pokemon do in the sales department.

Anyway I really don't get what some people are trying to get at. You just need common sense to figure out that dedicated handhelds are never going to be replaced by phones.

edit: Ofcourse I ment brad instead of brat. Sorry.

 

[eastmen]

Well, if I want a portable gaming device I'm probably not looking at even less portable tablets at twice the price, so I'm not sure what that proves, even assuming all these quad core android tablets come out this year. Besides, the PSP is almost 7 years old and by virtue of being a stable, dedicated gaming platform the games made for it look better than all but a handful of iOS titles. Few, if any tablet developers are going to be targeting their games exclusively at quad core devices. But all NGP developers will be (PS Suite games excepted).

Does it really matter once you need to put something from your pockets to a bag ? Whats the real diffrence between a tablet and a ngp if i need a bookbag /messanger bag to carry both ? The only thing i can think of is weight but then again the ipad is like 1.5lbs so i doubt its that

Also the psp has look really bad for awhile now sure phones haven't looked as good as it , but its the budget of the games that really mark that diffrence . With the ngp using off the shelf cell phone/tablet parts you can bet alot of the engines /games third party companys make will find their way over to cell phones when it makes sense to the control scheme.

And your argument would be more convincing if so much of the "DS" brand strength wasn't built precisely on the kind of "distractions" you are now dismissing. If Nintendo can't lean on Nintendogs, Picross, Brain Age, etc, to generate monster sales like they got with the DS, they'll be dependent on more hardcore consumers, and then the question is whether Nintendo franchises alone are enough to hold sway against far more capable hardware, better input, ancillary features, robust download and multiplayer services and potentially broader third party support. I'm not denying there will always be that Mario and Pokemon hardcore market, but the N64 and Gamecube proved that's not enough.

While brain age and other games certianly helped it was nintendo classics that really pushed the system. You can bet that people will still be buying mario , mario kart , zelda and pokemon by the tens of millions like they did with the ds.


I don't see what the NGP will offer over the 3DS that wont be eclipsed quickly by other devices.

I can see cod and other stuff being popular with 3G and i can see that , but i don't see 50m people buying a device for cod. I could be wrong. Then again there is nothing stoping the 3DS from also getting cod with online multiplay. Sure you'd be limited to wifi but the 3DS is at least on par with the wii and perhaps even better lookin .

I just don't see where NGP fits that 3DS doesn't also and at the same time 3DS has nintendo franchises.

 

[Arwin]

I don't see what the NGP will offer over the 3DS that wont be eclipsed quickly by other devices.

Is it that easy to overlook proper dual analog sticks? This to me seems the most important aspect of the NGP ...

I can see cod and other stuff being popular with 3G and i can see that , but i don't see 50m people buying a device for cod. I could be wrong. Then again there is nothing stoping the 3DS from also getting cod with online multiplay. Sure you'd be limited to wifi but the 3DS is at least on par with the wii and perhaps even better lookin .

I just don't see where NGP fits that 3DS doesn't also and at the same time 3DS has nintendo franchises.

I have a hard time believing you're even serious. The NGP will do everything the HD consoles do, with dual analog sticks as control input and all the other stuff optional (multi-touch front and back, cameras, etc.). That's going to be a big thing for one of the most popular franchises, i.e. shooters. It is going to be the very first time ever that the shooter genre can be done on a handheld properly in terms of controls, and with current gen graphics to boot. I also don't see the 3DS do GTA IV or Red Dead Redemption (and the GTA franchise was already extremely popular on the original PSP).

Yes, the 3DS has Nintendo franchises, and this will probably keep it safe as the most popular console in the sub-12 year old market, so I don't think the 3DS has much to fear. But the NGP will have some pretty popular Sony franchises (Uncharted, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone) etc, and will again be a more interesting proposition for third party developers, but this time with less of the downsides (load-times, controls, piracy, etc) there is a good chance for this device to shine, and I see no reason for the NGP to do as least as well as the PSP did, with a good chance to do quite a bit better. All this in combination with a good implementation of LiveArea is going to make the NGP a pretty big thing in handheld gaming, and there's still a good chance that handheld gaming is going to be an even bigger thing than it has been before.

I think that on the 3DS side, the real threat comes from both the DS (have to convince people to get the 3DS over the DS, which may take a little while), and the phones - some of the types of experiences that people bought a DS for last gen are now covered by phones. But with the current setup, with a low cost of build for the 3DS and a marketshare that has historical strength, Nintendo is not in a position to lose in absolute terms. Nintendo can only win more or win less, but will always win regardless. The real questions are what the size of the pie is going to be, and who gets what slice this time around.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

I also don't see the 3DS do GTA IV or Red Dead Redemption (and the GTA franchise was already extremely popular on the original PSP).

Not gta4, but it will do all those older gta's. And given how gta has never been about gfx anyway I doubt it would really matter if you are looking at ps2'ish or ps3'ish gta on the 3ds.

and will again be a more interesting proposition for third party developers

Tell me, by what standards is the psp(2) a more interesting platform for developers? It certainly isn't when actually want to sell your games. The best selling psp game is Monsterhunter with a little over 4 million. On the DS even cooking mama sold 2.5+ million. You just need to look at sales and release numbers to see the DS was a far better platform to develop games for. We will see if the psp2 will do better but it still has some of the disadvantages that made it ''fail'' in the first place. Probably a high price which can scare people off and high development costs which need high sales.

 

[Xmas]

Does it really matter once you need to put something from your pockets to a bag ? Whats the real diffrence between a tablet and a ngp if i need a bookbag /messanger bag to carry both ? The only thing i can think of is weight but then again the ipad is like 1.5lbs so i doubt its that

As a Kindle user I've found that the limit is basically 5" wide, sometimes less, depending on your jacket pockets. At 3.3" high, the NGP fits into most jacket pockets. Some 7" tablets do as well (as does Kindle 3, given the same format). 10" tablets like the iPad don't.

 

[eastmen]

As a Kindle user I've found that the limit is basically 5" wide, sometimes less, depending on your jacket pockets. At 3.3" high, the NGP fits into most jacket pockets. Some 7" tablets do as well (as does Kindle 3, given the same format). 10" tablets like the iPad don't.

Really ? I hated using my psp2000 and keeping it in a jacket pocket it took up way to much room. Also i only use a jacket for about 4 months of the year. So I'd need a bag for the PSP the rest of the year. Even my 3DS fits fine in my front pocket

I still don't get what jacket your wearing. A kindle would be to wide to fit into a jacket pocket of mine.

 

[eastmen]

Is it that easy to overlook proper dual analog sticks? This to me seems the most important aspect of the NGP ...

dual anlog is nice but is it that important ?

I have a hard time believing you're even serious. The NGP will do everything the HD consoles do, with dual analog sticks as control input and all the other stuff optional (multi-touch front and back, cameras, etc.). That's going to be a big thing for one of the most popular franchises, i.e. shooters. It is going to be the very first time ever that the shooter genre can be done on a handheld properly in terms of controls, and with current gen graphics to boot. I also don't see the 3DS do GTA IV or Red Dead Redemption (and the GTA franchise was already extremely popular on the original PSP).

The 3DS can play all the popular HD franchises also. Remember the 3ds is going to be rendering them at a lot lower resolution and there is no reason they have to be in 3d. They can put the games you named on the 3DS

Yes, the 3DS has Nintendo franchises, and this will probably keep it safe as the most popular console in the sub-12 year old market, so I don't think the 3DS has much to fear. But the NGP will have some pretty popular Sony franchises (Uncharted, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone) etc, and will again be a more interesting proposition for third party developers, but this time with less of the downsides (load-times, controls, piracy, etc) there is a good chance for this device to shine, and I see no reason for the NGP to do as least as well as the PSP did, with a good chance to do quite a bit better. All this in combination with a good implementation of LiveArea is going to make the NGP a pretty big thing in handheld gaming, and there's still a good chance that handheld gaming is going to be an even bigger thing than it has been before.

This sounds exactly like the psp and ds . I think if anything the psp proved that people don't want just ported console experiances . If people wanted what was popular on consoles but for handhelds then the psp would have been a smashing sucess. It had from what i can see all the popular ps2 franchises on it and the ps2 sold 150m + units . If the psp had so much trouble shifting hardware and even more toruble shifting software how is the ngp going to do diffrently using the same exact stratagy ?

I think that on the 3DS side, the real threat comes from both the DS (have to convince people to get the 3DS over the DS, which may take a little while), and the phones - some of the types of experiences that people bought a DS for last gen are now covered by phones. But with the current setup, with a low cost of build for the 3DS and a marketshare that has historical strength, Nintendo is not in a position to lose in absolute terms. Nintendo can only win more or win less, but will always win regardless. The real questions are what the size of the pie is going to be, and who gets what slice this time around.

Nintendo has proven in the nes , super nes , gb , gbc , gba , ds , wii generations that they can come up ewith exactly the type of software people will go out and spend $150-$200 on hardware for. They have done it time and time again.

I don't see this generation of handhelds being any diffrent.


Everything people are saying about the NGP is what they said about the PSP and i'm sure hardcore gamers will love it , but hardcore gamers don't have the buying power to equal 75m wii's and climbing and 150m DS's . hell its not even nough for 66m psps


Sony is the one who needs everyting to work out perfectly in their favor to survive. They have uphill battles in both markets and all it will take is MS to decide they want the handheld pie also and put out a live enabled win 7 phone dedicated handset with a partner like samsung for sony to get into trouble. The ngp is basicly a rung up the ladder from hardware shipping today , infact whats in the NGP or something vrey close to it will ship most likely before the NGP does in other products this year. I think the NGP will be really strong out of the gate and then slowly fade out

 

[BadTB25]

Really ? I hated using my psp2000 and keeping it in a jacket pocket it took up way to much room. Also i only use a jacket for about 4 months of the year. So I'd need a bag for the PSP the rest of the year. Even my 3DS fits fine in my front pocket

I still don't get what jacket your wearing. A kindle would be to wide to fit into a jacket pocket of mine.

What is your impression of the 3DS?
My wife is a big Zelda fanatic and I will probably pick one up once a Zelda killer app is released.

 

[Brad Grenz]

dual anlog is nice but is it that important ?

Well, no one has been able to mention the PSP on the internet for 7 years without someone bitching about it needing dual analog. Seems pretty important to a lot of people.

The 3DS can play all the popular HD franchises also. Remember the 3ds is going to be rendering them at a lot lower resolution and there is no reason they have to be in 3d. They can put the games you named on the 3DS

There's no denying the 3DS will be capable of broke-ass, uglified, compromised versions of console games that people will hate because it lacks a second analog stick. It'll be like when developers try and cram PS3/360 games on the Wii. Possible, not desirable.

This sounds exactly like the psp and ds . I think if anything the psp proved that people don't want just ported console experiances . If people wanted what was popular on consoles but for handhelds then the psp would have been a smashing sucess. It had from what i can see all the popular ps2 franchises on it and the ps2 sold 150m + units . If the psp had so much trouble shifting hardware and even more toruble shifting software how is the ngp going to do diffrently using the same exact stratagy ?

Except that it's completely different. The NGP features inputs and innovations the 3DS lacks and is attempting to leverage the rapidly shifting market to its advantage with PS Suite. The 3DS no longer has a legendary battery life advantage. And both are competing for attention with the exploding smart phone/tablet gaming markets. Given the current climate the NGP is better poised to maintain its hold on a hardcore segment. If the Sony can match the original PSP's installed base that will be mission-fucking-accomplished. In contrast, with the increased competition and pricing concerns, the 3DS is poised to hemorrhage casuals to Android and iOS.

Nintendo has proven in the nes , super nes , gb , gbc , gba , ds , wii generations that they can come up ewith exactly the type of software people will go out and spend $150-$200 on hardware for. They have done it time and time again.

I don't see this generation of handhelds being any diffrent.

You can ignore this all you want, but Nintendo didn't have Nicole Kidman playing Mario games in their DS commercials. The runaway success of the DS was built in no small part on selling to women and older people. People who bought a DS for Brain Age or Picross have long since migrated to Angry Birds and FarmVille. They won't be lured into a new hardware purchase for Zelda or Donkey Kong or Kirby.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I have a hard time believing you're even serious. The NGP will do everything the HD consoles do, with dual analog sticks as control input and all the other stuff optional (multi-touch front and back, cameras, etc.). That's going to be a big thing for one of the most popular franchises, i.e. shooters. It is going to be the very first time ever that the shooter genre can be done on a handheld properly in terms of controls.

Hmmm, I'm sure without KB+M, some people will feel otherwise...

 

[eastmen]

Well, no one has been able to mention the PSP on the internet for 7 years without someone bitching about it needing dual analog. Seems pretty important to a lot of people.

While a single anlog stick isn't ideal it was the standard during the 32bit era with the saturn and n64 having a single anlog and some of the best games were made using a single anlog stick.

There's no denying the 3DS will be capable of broke-ass, uglified, compromised versions of console games that people will hate because it lacks a second analog stick. It'll be like when developers try and cram PS3/360 games on the Wii. Possible, not desirable.

Or the non hardcore wont give about it. ALso i think your selling the 3ds very short in what it will be capable of

Except that it's completely different. The NGP features inputs and innovations the 3DS lacks and is attempting to leverage the rapidly shifting market to its advantage with PS Suite. The 3DS no longer has a legendary battery life advantage. And both are competing for attention with the exploding smart phone/tablet gaming markets. Given the current climate the NGP is better poised to maintain its hold on a hardcore segment. If the Sony can match the original PSP's installed base that will be mission-fucking-accomplished. In contrast, with the increased competition and pricing concerns, the 3DS is poised to hemorrhage casuals to Android and iOS.

Seems the exact same senario as last time. Yes the NGP has a second anlog stick and rear touch screens but this hardly means anything if the software isn't there and it wont be because experiances like RDR and GTA5 are not meant to be had in minute long sprits of play time

You can ignore this all you want, but Nintendo didn't have Nicole Kidman playing Mario games in their DS commercials. The runaway success of the DS was built in no small part on selling to women and older people. People who bought a DS for Brain Age or Picross have long since migrated to Angry Birds and FarmVille. They won't be lured into a new hardware purchase for Zelda or Donkey Kong or Kirby.

Why would nintendo need Nicole Kidman playing New Super mario brothers on a comercial ? It sold like 20m copies without wasting money on a celeb.

If people bought a $150 + system to play just Brain age or just picross cause nicole kidman did a comercial then they will buy whatever nicole kidman tells them to buy the next time she does a nintendo comercial.

 

[AlphaWolf]

If people bought a $150 + system to play just Brain age or just picross cause nicole kidman did a comercial then they will buy whatever nicole kidman tells them to buy the next time she does a nintendo comercial.

I believe the point is that they don't have to do that, they can play on the phone they already own. A few years ago that wasn't really an option.