Next NV High-end

[CMAN]

How many games do you currently see using SM3 to any degree? Maybe four? And that got you what, soft shadowing in two of those titles which also lead to a nosedive in performance.

Don't shoot the messenger. I was just making a point and not arguing either way. Just observations.

However, Nvidia did have performance on par with ATI at the time, so it didn't hurt. Then I ask, if you keep a card for 2-3 years, then we are only 33% through the lifespan. Lets wait a little longer before we slaughter to cow.

But as you can see, most people here didn't care about the tech lead, so maybe Nvidia wasn't in a better position then.

 

[nagus]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051005A7033.html

Nvidia schedules G72 GPU release in early 2006
Charles Chou, Taipei; Jessie Shen, DigiTimes.com [Wednesday 5 October 2005]

Nvidia has scheduled its G72 graphics processing unit (GPU), which will be manufactured using 90nm process technology, to be introduced in early 2006, according to sources at Taiwan graphics card makers. The G72, a 90nm version of the G70 GPU, will compete with the 90nm R-series from ATI Technologies, which will announce the launch of its long-awaited R520, RV515 and RV530 GPUs on October 5, U.S. time, indicated the sources.

The 90nm G72 will have a much smaller size than the 0.11-micron based G70 allowing for multiple GPUs to be utilized on one graphics card through SLI technology, providing an effective and attractive alternative to those who do not want to fork out money for two graphics cards, the sources claimed.

Graphics card makers are ready to ship R520- and RV515-based products, following ATI’s official release, according to sources at the makers. RV530-based graphics cards will be volume shipped at the end of this month, indicated the sources.

 

[KimB]

It's rather bad forum etiquette to post the same stuff in multiple places, nagus.

 

[nagus]

It's rather bad forum etiquette to post the same stuff in multiple places, nagus.

sorry... thought that would be relevant for both threads

 

[mikechai]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051005A7033.html

Nvidia schedules G72 GPU release in early 2006
Charles Chou, Taipei; Jessie Shen, DigiTimes.com [Wednesday 5 October 2005]

Nvidia has scheduled its G72 graphics processing unit (GPU), which will be manufactured using 90nm process technology, to be introduced in early 2006, according to sources at Taiwan graphics card makers. The G72, a 90nm version of the G70 GPU, will compete with the 90nm R-series from ATI Technologies, which will announce the launch of its long-awaited R520, RV515 and RV530 GPUs on October 5, U.S. time, indicated the sources.

The 90nm G72 will have a much smaller size than the 0.11-micron based G70 allowing for multiple GPUs to be utilized on one graphics card through SLI technology, providing an effective and attractive alternative to those who do not want to fork out money for two graphics cards, the sources claimed.

Graphics card makers are ready to ship R520- and RV515-based products, following ATI???s official release, according to sources at the makers. RV530-based graphics cards will be volume shipped at the end of this month, indicated the sources.

So the 512MB GTX is just a temporary measure to counter ATI's R520. The G72 is the real deal...
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[trinibwoy]

So the 512MB GTX is just a temporary measure to counter ATI's R520. The G72 is the real deal...

No, it's to counter the R580. A 90nm high-end G7x part should destroy the XT that we saw benched today.

 

[Jawed]

No, it's to counter the R580. A 90nm high-end G7x part should destroy the XT that we saw benched today.

Yes, now that ATI has "de-bugged" TSMC's fabrication libraries, NVidia should find it easy to get G72 upto around 650MHz or so...

Jawed

 

[Deleted member 2197]

Yes, now that ATI has "de-bugged" TSMC's fabrication libraries, NVidia should find it easy to get G72 upto around 650MHz or so...

Jawed

Let's hope they've "debugged" it enough! Still waiting for those 520 ATI parts to hit 700MHz ...

 

[Jawed]

Yeah, I'm majorly disappointed that XT is only 625 - @ Orton's hyperbole about "record clocks". Shoulda been 750.

Jawed

 

[trinibwoy]

Yes, now that ATI has "de-bugged" TSMC's fabrication libraries, NVidia should find it easy to get G72 upto around 650MHz or so...

Jawed

I had the impression that the "bugged' libraries were something that ATi licensed from a third party for their own design. No where did I see it being referred to as a TSMC problem.

 

[Mariner]

Yeah, I'm majorly disappointed that XT is only 625 - @ Orton's hyperbole about "record clocks". Shoulda been 750.

Jawed

Are there any other graphics chips at the moment with clocks of 625MHz? Nope. Therefore it's a record!

 

[Jawed]

I had the impression that the "bugged' libraries were something that ATi licensed from a third party for their own design. No where did I see it being referred to as a TSMC problem.

I think you're prolly right - I wonder, though, if the problems stemmed from being used at TSMC or if the problems were in the libraries...

And also, if the libraries were specific to the ring-bus, I guess that means NVidia won't be having problems, anyway.

Jawed

 

[KimB]

Are there any other graphics chips at the moment with clocks of 625MHz? Nope. Therefore it's a record!

Jawed has been going on a sarcasm binge today. He'll pass out soon.

 

[Jawed]

Everyone's being sarcastic about X1800XT, so I thought I'd join in.

Jawed

 

[dizietsma]

Everyone's being sarcastic about X1800XT, so I thought I'd join in.

Jawed

Well they said about 50% more which is 750Mhz so TSMC/ATi were being sarcastic too.

Everyones at it

 

[ANova]

Yeah, I'm majorly disappointed that XT is only 625 - @ Orton's hyperbole about "record clocks". Shoulda been 750.

Jawed

Sarcasm doesn't come off very well on forums. Using 1 GHz clocks as your expectations would have worked better.

BTW, anyone care to guess how many months ago I said it would be clocked at 600-650 MHz.

 

[Mariner]

As a Briton, I'm ashamed that I missed the sarcasm.

The bath is running and I have the razor blades ready...

 

[Jawed]

I wasn't being sarcastic about the speed of the XT

Jawed

 

[TEXAN]

A) 500MHz + 32PP + 1.6GHz GDDR3?
B) 600MHz + 24PP + 1.6GHz GDDR3?
C) 700MHz + 16PP + 1.6GHz GDDR3?

Which seems most likely for G72?

 

[Geo]

You're assuming G72 is the fabled 90nm high-end part?

If so, I look at what ATI managed from 130nm to 90nm --doubling transistors and a 15% core bump. Then I add the overclocking ability of G70. And I lean 32pipe ~ or north of 550mhz.

But that assumes they don't do much or anything about the architecture that G70 brings to the table, and I don't have any good way to judge that. Certainly there were some changes there from NV40 to N/V/4/7/ G70 that might reduce the pressure for major changes on an initial 90nm part.

"G72" doesn't sound like new gen to me, architecturally, but NV has come unhinged from their traditional naming (and threaten to unhinge me as well, but that's another story ), and we don't have enuf data points yet, in my view, to draw any conclusions from new code names so far as what they suggest about the relative delta of architectural change, "refresh" vs "new gen", etc..

Edit: You can check out the thots of the "NV Whisperer" upstream here: http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=581313&postcount=100

He's not liking "G72" for the name tho. Neither am I (ick, yuck, ptooie!)