Next Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [pre E3 2019]

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  1. BRiT

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    In Vive Pro, ifixit suggests the copper foil actually doubles as EMI shield. And well.. it's a copper foil.

    The Magic Leap and the Oculus Go are standalone headsets. This means they have their own high-performance mobile SoCs which need to do all the processing locally even for 3D games.
    Why would you think the PSVR2 will have local processing in the same way as standalone headsets, if it's supposed to be used as an accessory to the PS5?


    The implementation with an interposer is expensive and that's no secret. That's why there's been a lot of research on actual 3D stacking instead of 2.5D interposer solutions.
     
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    The Sony patents cover a breadth of topics from eye tracking, positional tracking using both visual and ultrasonic methods, environment object detecting and alerts, beamforming, and numerous other things which could require local processing. Moreover, who is to say the headset won’t have a local GPU for processing as a stand-alone option? As you can imagine, many of the patents mention the possibility of a local CPU/GPU combo.

    1. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2018/0374195.html
    2. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10162185.html
    3. https://www.freshpatents.com/Andrew-Young-San-Mateo-invdxy.php
    4. https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180089798A1/
    5. https://patents.google.com/patent/US20150287158A1/en
    6. https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0&docid=10134175
    7. https://www.freshpatents.com/-dt20180405ptan20180093177.php
    8. https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2018220793
    9. https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=US234732679
    10. https://patentscope2.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2018225245
    11. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2018232018A1.html
    12. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2018/0193728.html
    13. https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/sonys-research-eye-tracking-video-games-absolutely-amazing/
    14. https://www.barrons.com/articles/so...wave-of-3-d-sensing-says-bernstein-1521247768
    15. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2018216627A1.pdf
    16. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10241573.html
    17.
    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10241331.html
    18. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2019/0089946.html
    19. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2019/0089899.html
    20. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2019/0088018.html
     
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    From technical standpoint stand-alone psvr2 just sounds really unlikely. why would they do that, when it is just an add-on?

    It would drive up the cost and technology at the moment cant offer much vs using console as source of calculations.

    a) have psvr2 as similar, but better version of psvr1 with better resolution, games and so on with similar price
    b) have psvr2 as similar to psvr1 but also usable as stand alone version that offers much lower quality of graphics than when connected to console and drive up the costs

    While biggest problem is still nausea and getting sick from the games, which limits the group of possible customers. PSVR made me sicker than anything I have done in my life, I felt bit off for 1-2 weeks after using it for 3-4 days. Maybe there is no solution for that, but I hope that they will find one as otherwise VR as experience were really nice
     
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    Standalone headset could be portable console. Enabling connection to ps5 would allow for better graphics when used at home.

    My guess is that oculus quest shows if there is market for portable vr console. Sony might do quest competitor if there is enough market for that to be worthwhile.
     
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    The message reads “follow the white rabbit”

    Cute given PS4 and PSVR has matrix code names.
     
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    Is that bottom half angular, or a different material? The implied angularity looks uncomfortable.
     
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    It’s angular. You can see it in the other shot of the controller. I’m inclined to agree it doesn’t look ergonomic at all.
     
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    Yeah, to me it looks like you'd want thumb extensions.
     
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    Maybe, but I think the sharp angles are likely a stylistic choice. Thinking about it, no part of your hand or fingers rest in that area.
     
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    It's probably fake, so the sharp angles are from lazy modelling. :yep2:
     
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    Gamepad party is over.
    https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...ecret-sauces-spicing-2019.91830/post-19278503

    It's fake.


    edit - Jason also added this:
    Look, as I've been saying since roughly March 2018 (in this very thread), next-gen is coming in 2020. That Semiaccurate article saying 2018 (lol) got people's hopes up for 2019, but by now I hope it's clear that the PS5 ain't coming out this fall.

    And, despite all the rumors about devkits being out (usually from rumormongers who are wrong more often than not), the number of people briefed on next-gen is still very limited. Even within companies like, say, DICE, there'll be a small team of engineers who now have a rough idea of specs, and everyone else will know when they need to know. Not a lot of devs are disclosed on next-gen right now.

    In other words, don't expect much in the way of substantial leakage just yet. The only thing to know for sure is that both Sony and Microsoft are aiming higher than that "10.7 teraflops" number that Google threw out last week. (And, as has been reported, Microsoft's got a few things in the works.)

    https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...ecret-sauces-spicing-2019.91830/post-19279014
     
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    well then, RIP my previous ideas on TF range for GPU
     
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    Thats very good info (rumors about 8tflops were underwhelming).
     
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    Oh, God, please, yes, let this man be right.
     
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    So we can assume that minimum ps5 spec is 11tf, ryzen 8 core, 16 gb ram (12 for games, 4 for system)
     
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    It reads like pure speculation. As if google being 10.7 supposedly means the others have no choice but trying to beat this number.

    I stay at 10TF and 16GB gddr6 for my prediction.

    Maybe 24GB. I don't know. :lol:
     
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    https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...ecret-sauces-spicing-2019.91830/post-19280356

    Remember even studio's assumptions/guesses can be pretty wrong. That's why things like the AC games performed so badly as they made some guesses about performance during development, and that wasn't the only one.
     
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    Aiming for does not mean they'll hit it.
     
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