Next gen lighting technologies - voxelised, traced, and everything else *spawn*

Discussion in 'Rendering Technology and APIs' started by Scott_Arm, Aug 21, 2018.

  1. BRiT

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    Please keep the small-time drama out of this thread.
     
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    Battlefield V update that was supposed to roll out today had some issues that affected gameplay and servers, so it's being held back a bit. Guess we'll have to wait for those new performance numbers.

     
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    Battlefield V DXR patch is out. So far performance is in line with what Producer and Nvidia stated.

    Someone with an RTX 2080
    https://forums.geforce.com/default/...es/battlefield-5-update/post/5930757/#5930757
     
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    Things will only get better from here, like we said devs will optimize and iron things out. Better RT implementations will follow with future titles. Perhaps in combination with other features like dlss and things like AI/deep learning.
     
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    I want a RTX but im holding of about two years and get the 3080/4080 with a ryzen 3/4 with ddr5 main ram. That if amd ryzen can match intel though or i9 gonna be my next. Might get a second hand 2070 just to overlap those years but will see.
     
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    Yet no-one bothered to do proper before/after screenshots to see if it's just really optimizing bad code or were there sacrifices made on the IQ department to achieve the results
    edit: or video for that matter, found some video "comparison" from youtube but the runs compared weren't even remotely similar
     
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    DICE stated no comprises to IQ have been made, they even improved RTX quality through enhanced denoising, making reflections sharper.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Sharper isn't always better though, and despite being swedish, who should know snow and ice almost as well as us finnish, I've never ever seen any frozen lake reflecting like that no matter if it has partly melted on the top or not
    But that's not the algorithms fault I suppose, and great if they really got the big boosts without affecting IQ in negative fashion
     
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    They did state that SSR would be reintroduced in places where raytracing did not make much of a difference, isn't it ?
     
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    This is not in this patch, this is still in development, and will be introduced in a later patch, so expect even more performance improvements.
     
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    This is made in ultra graphics settings. If the graphic were set to medium the fps with enabled RTX would be higher.

    These adjustments are just the beginning. It is a learning process as with all the new features before. Software and hardware vendors will exchange ideas and make further improvements. This will go on for a while until there is something like the best formula. Here raytracing was also built into an existing engine which was not made for it.

    GPUs will also become more and more specialized since it is very efficient compared to generic units.

    A part of the vegetation (like grass) reflects in screen space.
     
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    Fixed function hardware can go only so far,

    I really, really hope this won't ever become a trend. I mean sure, I love 3dfx and their era, but the industry has been working so hard past 20 years or so to make GPUs more "generic", freely programmable number crunchers which just allows so much more freedom than fixed function hardware.

    Was this confirmed for this patch or future patch?
     
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    1. There is still room for software imrpvement but it is getting tougher. With the chips the jumps will probably last longer and longer and specialized units can counteract that again.


    2. It works like that since today. Example (grass in marked scene):
     
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    It's a balance. NVIDIA tried to do a fully programmable rasterization pipeline a few years ago and it was an order of magnitude slower than the semi-flexible pipelines used in GPUs.
     
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    Video comparison on 1440p Ultra RTX on a 2080Ti: consistent 25-30fps increases.

     
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    It's amazing how much of an impact the original release had on performance with so few (if any) reflections going on in those scenes.
     
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    I wonder how much of this performance improvement is due to ray-tracing optimisation only, rather than using SSR or other tricks in some places...
     
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    We should only ever be using the correct tools for the job ;) I think developers will need to work to figure this out. We'll see full blown RT implementations get culled back over time as they find a better middle ground for performance/quality.
     
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