Next-Gen iPhone & iPhone Nano Speculation

[warmi]

The lack of home button also indicates the bezel will have capacitive buttons.

And so Apple will try to pass capacitive buttons in the bezel as the latest invention in the century.

Well, whatever you think of Apple and their innovations , the fact is they completely redefined the mobile market in 2008 ( and in 2009 invented a new one as well )

If you think this is just a matter of having/not having buttons , this or that feature, you missing the larger point - it is never that easy...

 

[Deleted member 13524]

Well, whatever you think of Apple and their innovations , the fact is they completely redefined the mobile market in 2008 ( and in 2009 invented a new one as well )

And they didn't also redefine the mobile market in 2010 and 2011 too?!
Heresy!

 

[wco81]

Will they really try to keep the iPod Touch alive?

They skipped upgrading the Touch this past year, probably because they wanted to dedicate every A5 SOC to iPhone 4S and iPad 2.

If they can push iPhone 4 lower down the price range when iPhone 5 is released, there will be less of a need for the iPod Touch, with iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S being lower-priced alternatives.

 

[warmi]

And they didn't also redefine the mobile market in 2010 and 2011 too?!
Heresy!

Not really , you just have to look at how a typical smartphone looked before 2008

Here is a hint :

http://cdn.splatf.com/w/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/steve-jobs-smartphones.jpg

.. and after 2008 .. and you got your answer.

 

[benjiro]

Not really , you just have to look at how a typical smartphone looked before 2008

Smarthphone is a big word. Most PDA's like the Dell X50, already had design as the iPhone etc. The problem was, they where missing the "phone" part, but technically, a smartphone is just a PDA with a "phone" part. Plenty of people then asked about this.

I never understood in that time, what all those PDA's did not include any Phone. There where very few "smartphone's" aka PDA's with Phone capability, and those did look indeed more like Blackberries.

To me, the iPhone is just a natural evolution of the PDA. Its not revolutionary. But, smart marketing, proper software integration, and a drive to push a product. Something that was missing before with the PDA market.

Ontopic:

That missing home button is creating a massive stir on the Internet. Yet, why did nobody notice anything with those leaked shell covers. If they can leak those, why not a missing home button.

Personally, i do not belief in the "it was Photoshopped" out by mistake theories. Something that big does not get overlooked.

We shall see in a few days.

 

[warmi]

Smarthphone is a big word. Most PDA's like the Dell X50, already had design as the iPhone etc. The problem was, they where missing the "phone" part, but technically, a smartphone is just a PDA with a "phone" part. Plenty of people then asked about this.

No they did not - these were rather cumbersome devices which operated like mini Windows machines with a stylus replacing mouse input - no multitouch and with desktop-like interactivity crammed into tiny screens - these devices weren't even close.

 

[Helmore]

Ontopic:

That missing home button is creating a massive stir on the Internet. Yet, why did nobody notice anything with those leaked shell covers. If they can leak those, why not a missing home button.

Personally, i do not belief in the "it was Photoshopped" out by mistake theories. Something that big does not get overlooked.

We shall see in a few days.

Why are people even coming to the conclusion that there is no home button from just that one picture? What if that picture was taken while the iPad was in landscape orientation? Another thing to note, right above the middle of the bottom apps row you should see a couple of dots indicating on what page of the home screen you are and we're not seeing that in this image. In other words, we're not even looking at the middle part of the bezel but somewhere along the sides.

 

[anexanhume]

I believe front panel leaks, if they are to be believed, indicate no changes. The iPad 3 in the image is probably in landscape orientation.

If you look at the standard iPad wallpaper, the bubble configuration shown suggests it is actually in portrait mode. So, it could be a photochop but it's definitely not a standard background on a landscape iPad.

 

[Helmore]

If you look at the standard iPad wallpaper, the bubble configuration shown suggests it is actually in portrait mode. So, it could be a photochop but it's definitely not a standard background on a landscape iPad.

That same bubble wallpaper could just as well be in landscape orientation. Just look at the image in the middle of this page for example: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/airplay.html (sorry, that's the best home screen picture I could find of an iPad 2 in landscape orientation).

 

[ltcommander.data]

Use of the bezel for gestures would be useful for games that use virtual joysticks since they can be shifted over so less of the screen is covered by fingers. Admittedly more important for the iPhone. The sweep area would have to straddle both the screen and the bezel to avoid constraining the user though, so the screen and bezel touch surfaces would need to be a continuous sensor detection area.

 

[Lazy8s]

Considering they kept the iPod touch on the old SoC for this last cycle, a two SoC approach going forward makes sense. I think the phone and pad get an A6 while the TV and pod get an A5X.

Being able to responsively flick scroll through a list or a webpage and pinch zoom the page made navigating on a small phone screen actually efficient for the average user for the first time, setting the template for a platform of different uses/apps built around it. That graphically accelerated multi-touch UI of the first iPhone in 2007 utilized existing PDA and touchscreen functionalities in ways that have had competitors copying ever since.

 

[anexanhume]

That same bubble wallpaper could just as well be in landscape orientation. Just look at the image in the middle of this page for example: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/airplay.html (sorry, that's the best home screen picture I could find of an iPad 2 in landscape orientation).

Yes, but the wallpaper wouldn't change orientation when you rotated the iPad. That bubble configuration as shown is only possible if you are looking at the device in portrait mode.

 

[Helmore]

Yes, but the wallpaper wouldn't change orientation when you rotated the iPad.

But in the picture in the link I provided the wallpaper does just that, it changes orientation when you rotate the iPad.

Ah well, the end result is that the picture Apple provided in their invitation doesn't tell you anything about whether there is or isn't a home screen button on the next iPad.

EDIT: I'm talking about the third picture on this site: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/airplay.html

 

[anexanhume]

But in the picture in the link I provided the wallpaper does just that, it changes orientation when you rotate the iPad.

Ah well, the end result is that the picture Apple provided in their invitation doesn't tell you anything about whether there is or isn't a home screen button on the next iPad.

EDIT: I'm talking about the third picture on this site: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/airplay.html

http://alexander.altendorfer.me/ipad.jpg

 

[ltcommander.data]

EDIT: Null post. Was confused. What I wrote didn't make sense.

 

[Pressure]

Well, whatever you think of Apple and their innovations , the fact is they completely redefined the mobile market in 2008 ( and in 2009 invented a new one as well )

If you think this is just a matter of having/not having buttons , this or that feature, you missing the larger point - it is never that easy...

Except the iPhone was announced in January 2007 and released in June 2007.

In that comparison the icons look closer together in the announcement picture then existing iOS 5.0 iPad shots. Looks like the space between icons is now 1 icon width instead of the current ~1.5 icon gap. Maybe they are just allowing more icons in the dock.

You can already have more apps in the dock.

 

[ltcommander.data]

You can already have more apps in the dock.

Yeah I remember aftered I posted.

http://alexander.altendorfer.me/ipad.jpg

On the issue of comparing water droplets, at the middle left of the announcement picture there are a cluster of 3 droplets that line up with the left edge of the calender icon. Now those three droplets seem to correspond with the 4 droplets above the right side of the calender icon in the lower left picture of a portrait iPad 2. Those droplets are still a ways away from the circles indicating icon pages and the home button. It may just be the announcement picture was taken so that the home button was out of the field of view rather than it being physically missing.

 

[wco81]

Considering they kept the iPod touch on the old SoC for this last cycle, a two SoC approach going forward makes sense. I think the phone and pad get an A6 while the TV and pod get an A5X.

Being able to responsively flick scroll through a list or a webpage and pinch zoom the page made navigating on a small phone screen actually efficient for the average user for the first time, setting the template for a platform of different uses/apps built around it. That graphically accelerated multi-touch UI of the first iPhone in 1997 utilized existing PDA and touchscreen functionalities in ways that have had competitors copying ever since.

2007?

Yeah that demo for the first time got a huge response. Some estimated Apple got like $500 million worth of free PR. You could actually hear gasps in the crowd when Steve Jobs showed pinch-zooming the first time.

There are pictures of Android phones in development before this time. They all looked like Blackberries, with hardware cursors pads or trackballs.

 

[Lazy8s]

I included the date of the iPhone's introduction specifically to clarify that it was 2007 instead of the aforementioned 2008... and then I erroneously made it 1997.

With a high resolution/VGA touchscreen covering its face and an MBX Lite and PowerVR video decoder back in 2004, the Axim X50v was far ahead of its time for mobiles. Considering the same graphics core would be one of the key enablers of the iPhone's UI almost three years later, I wonder how early an iPhone like device could've actually been delivered from a technological standpoint.

 

[wco81]

What is more expensive for the transistor budget (which could mean yields or bottom line costs) on an SOC, increasing the clock speeds, adding cores or doubling the RAM?

And how would that compare with increasing storage?

The problem for Apple compared to other manufacturers is that they will produce and ship far more, so any incremental cost would have a much greater multiplier effect to the overall costs and ROI on the life of a project like the iPad 3.

With higher-resolution screen, apps. and content could have assets which make greater demands on RAM and use more storage. Perhaps increased RAM and increased storage would result in a better overall experience than increasing CPU or GPU performance?