New Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core screens (PSP)

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Wow! This game must be using the CPU full power (333Mhz).
 
Or how about just good artists? Is there so much in these screens that the Daxter engine couldn't already have handled?
 
I don't think anyone really exalts that you'll see "better than PS2 visuals" from a PSP. Getting to a point of PARITY is impressive enough.

You'll probably see some people who think this is better-looking than the majority of PS2 games, though, which is probably true. Again, more of a comment about the quality of artists and dedication to the title, than power the unit in general or the "full power" now.
 
I don't think anyone really exalts that you'll see "better than PS2 visuals" from a PSP.
In the last thread about this game they did.
Getting to a point of PARITY is impressive enough.

You'll probably see some people who think this is better-looking than the majority of PS2 games, though, which is probably true. Again, more of a comment about the quality of artists and dedication to the title, than power the unit in general or the "full power" now.
But the PSP was always supposed to have visuals on par with the PS2. I think the only concern was that too few developers would invest the money necessary to exploit the PSP's full ability. Square does have a knack for art but putting up all that stuff on screen ain't cheap. This game will look better than the PS2 average in the same way it'll look better than the average PSP game because it's a high budget game. Not every game has the backing of a Final Fantasy XII or God of War.
 
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Actually, in the last thread they pretty much just said "wow" or "lookin' good!" or "this is above average PS2 level stuff." Your replies in both threads have been entirely your own expectations, or built mainly off replies from other forums.
 
This is the post that mainly led to what I said in that thread. Maybe I got too hooked on the post but with this and the other WOW replies I was just shocked with how surprised people were. The PSP was always supposed to be able to pump out visuals like that. That is to say, the same type of visuals as the PS2 is capable of.
One of my friend asked me: "For what nextgen console is this game?"

:)
And this reply came after I contested people thinking the game looks better than what the PS2 is capable of:
Eh, it looks better than Kingdom Hearts does to me. Maybe it can be pushed better due to the lower resoultion?
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=36298&highlight=crisis


or built mainly off replies from other forums.
And is that against the rules?
 
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It's not against the rules, but it's not really a badgering-ram to be wielded about on here. One guy's tongue-in-cheek comment from a friend does not a mountain of commentary make. (Maybe he'd just been watching a Blue Dragon or Trusty Bell trailer, too, and was comparing the first pic. ;) ) Also, some guy saying it looks better than Kingdom Hearts simply means he thinks it looks better than KH, which could be a comment on "I like the art better" much more than "the PSP makes games look better than the PS2 can!"

If you want to see what people WERE saying about the PSP before launch according to specs, or right after launch regarding capabilities, those threads are certainly around. Meanwhile, the only person who was applying any real commentary other than "wow!" in that thread was Arwin. The rest mainly took in the trailer and pics and thought it looked damn impressive for a portable title (which is does) and in many cases better than PS2 titles (which it also does), which makes it all the MORE impressive to be carrying it around in your pocket.

Notice anyone making serious technical comparisons of the respective capabilities in these threads?
 
It's not against the rules, but it's not really a badgering-ram to be wielded about on here.
Opinions are formed from experiences from many places. Deal with it.
One guy's tongue-in-cheek comment from a friend does not a mountain of commentary make. (Maybe he'd just been watching a Blue Dragon or Trusty Bell trailer, too, and was comparing the first pic. ;) )
Take it within the context of that thread. With all that slobbering and wow'ing. And then I saw that post. Maybe I put too much value on that post but like I said I was just shocked from the reactions.
Also, some guy saying it looks better than Kingdom Hearts simply means he thinks it looks better than KH, which could be a comment on "I like the art better" much more than "the PSP makes games look better than the PS2 can!"
Again, take it within the context of what he replied to. I say I don't see those visuals as being better than what the PS2 is capable of and he replies with his "Err, it looks better than Kingdom Hearts does to me.(Here giving an example of one of the PS2's best) Maybe it can be pushed better due to the lower resoultion?(Then here he's postulating on why he thinks the PSP can do better than the PS2)." I'm so sorry I have to spell this out for you.
The rest mainly took in the trailer and pics and thought it looked damn impressive for a portable title (which is does)
It looks better than your average PS2/PSP title because it has a very high budget from a very big game company which most games do not have. Most games not having huge budgets is true of any platform.
and in many cases better than PS2 titles (which it also does),
The artwork in FFVII: Crisis Core is very nice and its artwork would look just as nice running on the PS2.
which makes it all the MORE impressive to be carrying it around in your pocket.
It is impressive that we can carry around PS2 type visuals in a handheld but that was always meant to be the case with the PSP. I'll be even more impressed when we have high-tech handhelds like this with longer battery life.
 
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Opinions are formed from experiences from many places.
Sure, but you can't go bringing opinions of one bunch of people and then wave them around as though a different population is the same. eg. I go into an Italian pub where they're all watching football and saying how great Italy is and how rubbish everyone else is. This irks me as I don't think Italy are so hot. I leave the Italian pub, walk into an Irish pub, and shout aloud "What is it with all you lot?! Italy aren't that great so why do you keep mouthing off about it?!"

You can't sensibly talk about people behaving in a certain way in this forum to this population are aren't necessarily following your experiences elsewhere, as though this population is mirroring those others. It makes no sense. Forum practice, of not rules, is leave other forum behaviour and experiences at the door. If you do have to tie in with another forum, you link it in. And talking about other forum populations ("all the members of forum www.mindlessfanboys.com are a bunch of mindless fanboys! Look at what they've been saying...") is not accepted.

Deal with it.
That's both an impolite response and quite a daft one too.
 
Sure, but you can't go bringing opinions of one bunch of people and then wave them around as though a different population is the same. eg. I go into an Italian pub where they're all watching football and saying how great Italy is and how rubbish everyone else is. This irks me as I don't think Italy are so hot. I leave the Italian pub, walk into an Irish pub, and shout aloud "What is it with all you lot?! Italy aren't that great so why do you keep mouthing off about it?!"

You can't sensibly talk about people behaving in a certain way in this forum to this population are aren't necessarily following your experiences elsewhere, as though this population is mirroring those others. It makes no sense. Forum practice, of not rules, is leave other forum behaviour and experiences at the door. If you do have to tie in with another forum, you link it in. And talking about other forum populations ("all the members of forum www.mindlessfanboys.com are a bunch of mindless fanboys! Look at what they've been saying...") is not accepted.

That's both an impolite response and quite a daft one too.
I wasn't singling out anyone in this forum. And I never referred to other forum populations to backup anything I've said. Not that I buy what you say about proper forum practice. If someone wants to refer to other forums let them. If someone wants to share an opinion that hasn't been brought up before let them. If someone wants to share an opinion without providing links every time let them. If someone wants to share an opinion about stuff he's heard people say on other forums/friends/magazines/tv/overheard conversation on the bus let them. If they don't meet your standards you are free to ignore any of it.

I was just referring to what I have heard said about this game. It was a general opinion. I am not going to tailor my opinions on a per forum/person/whatever basis. And I am not going to provide a link to backup everything I have to say. And since when do one bunch of people from one community have the same opinions? How exactly do you bunch up opinions to one bunch of people on internet forums? Every forum I have been to is full of bickering with no solidarity in opinions. I have proven there are people on this forum that do think the PSP is capable of better than PS2 visuals, see post #7 Eteric's quote. Not that it matters if there have been people on this specific forum that have shared an opinion that is a prerequisite before I then share my own opinion reflecting that opinion in what people have said.

Oh, and your analogies are pretty stupid. They make you look childish. Sorry if I'm being too blunt for you.
 
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If someone wants to refer to other forums let them. If someone wants to share an opinion that hasn't been brought up before let them. If someone wants to share an opinion without providing links every time let them. If someone wants to share an opinion about stuff he's heard people say on other forums/friends/magazines/tv/overheard conversation on the bus let them.
Sure. But you can explain yourself in clearer ways so people understand just who you're talking about...

'Looks pretty but I'm honestly not seeing these better than PS2 visuals some people are exalting.'

What people? People here in this forum? That's assumed in the context of the forum. If you meant a wider population of opinions, it would have been clearer to explain that.

'Looks pretty but across the web there's been some noise of better than PS2 visuals, yet I'm not seeing it.'

...is a way of better communication your position. Discussions on forums require certain guidelines to be followed to account for the mix of vernacular language without the non-verbal communication that usual accompnaies such communications. That's why smilies exist. Like it or not, you have to understand how your things are going to be read if you want to talk effectively. Or at least recognise when a communiation mix up has occured and explain yourself again. eg. If someone posts a sarcastic joke without a smiley and someone takes offense, the proper response is 'Sorry. It was sarcasm and I didn't mean it,' rather than 'I was just kidding. Get over it.'

If they don't meet your standards you are free to ignore any of it.
Exactly. And if you don't communicate yourself very well, you'll find a lot of people freely ignoring you.

Oh, and your analogies are pretty stupid. They make you look childish. Sorry if I'm being too blunt for you.
If you were sorry about it, you wouldn't do it in the first place ;). Your correct response is 'Yes I'm blunt, but I don't care whether you take offense or not.' Or in the steretypical UK Northerner phrase 'I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say!'
 
It is impressive that we can carry around PS2 type visuals in a handheld but that was always meant to be the case with the PSP.

No, that was what just the perception that Sony marketing was happy to have propagated. I can't be bothered digging it up but I've already had a rant about this before in the PS2 Vs PSP hardware thread. The PSP is NOT a handheld PS2. It has very, very little in common with a PS2.

While the speed bump certainly helps, it in no way makes up the gap. Again as I have said before, the PSP is an awesome piece of hardware, and there are some amazing games out and coming out on it, but take it for what it is: a handheld device.
 
Sure. But you can explain yourself in clearer ways so people understand just who you're talking about...
No, lol. I'm not going to name names everytime I voice a general opinion about what other people have said. I don't remember every forum poster's name and magazine/web article's author I've read. I understand such general opinions don't have as much merit as one's that have explicit reliable sources but I did not expect my post to be taken this seriously. I still stand by my post, it was just a general opinion. Nothing more.
'Looks pretty but I'm honestly not seeing these better than PS2 visuals some people are exalting.'

What people? People here in this forum? That's assumed in the context of the forum. If you meant a wider population of opinions, it would have been clearer to explain that.
You're the only one that is assuming. It's just a general opinion.
'Looks pretty but across the web there's been some noise of better than PS2 visuals, yet I'm not seeing it.'

...is a way of better communication your position.
That's the way you would've done it. Not me.
Discussions on forums require certain guidelines to be followed to account for the mix of vernacular language without the non-verbal communication that usual accompnaies such communications. That's why smilies exist. Like it or not, you have to understand how your things are going to be read if you want to talk effectively. Or at least recognise when a communiation mix up has occured and explain yourself again. eg. If someone posts a sarcastic joke without a smiley and someone takes offense, the proper response is 'Sorry. It was sarcasm and I didn't mean it,' rather than 'I was just kidding. Get over it.'
Again, that's how you do things. Not me.
Exactly. And if you don't communicate yourself very well, you'll find a lot of people freely ignoring you.
Well go ahead and start ignoring me then!
If you were sorry about it, you wouldn't do it in the first place ;). Your correct response is 'Yes I'm blunt, but I don't care whether you take offense or not.' Or in the steretypical UK Northerner phrase 'I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say!'
Wow you're dense. Of course I'm not sorry about it.
No, that was what just the perception that Sony marketing was happy to have propagated. I can't be bothered digging it up but I've already had a rant about this before in the PS2 Vs PSP hardware thread. The PSP is NOT a handheld PS2. It has very, very little in common with a PS2.

While the speed bump certainly helps, it in no way makes up the gap. Again as I have said before, the PSP is an awesome piece of hardware, and there are some amazing games out and coming out on it, but take it for what it is: a handheld device.
Hmm, I haven't read up much on the PSP. I see from Googling that there is a sizable gap with its performance compared to the PS2.
 
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Some footage up on gametrailers now. The fighting looks interesting, but the game otherwise momentarily gave me a big 'meh' feeling, with everything looking so empty. Still, it has a lot of potential!
 
As a follow up to Arwin's post...

Battle System 1:
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Battle System 2:
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They have a ton of other clips, but the quality is not very good on most of them (including the 2 above), IMO.
 
The game is out and it is a masterpiece! My friend played it and he is stunned by the tehnology behind this game...
 
What language is he playing. Japanese? Or has it been translated already also / plays in English by default?
 
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