New dynamic branching demo

Lol Humus is getting with the flamethrower for this thing, too bad

 

Well, he was kinda asking for it with the statement he posted on his website, no matter how joking he may have been when he wrote it.

 

16 pipelines

You don't think ATI started hearing things about Nvidia's
chips in late 2003?

Seems like ATI followed Nvidia to me and I am not an
Nvidia fanboy here, its pretty simple to see. I remembered
that I started hearing about 16 pipelines from Nvidia sometime
in 2003.

 

Re: It is, what it is.

I was under the impression that real-time 3D gaming in general was a collection of hacks that substituted for the "real thing."

If you're as objective as you say you are, you'd probably reconsider those statements.

 

Re: It is, what it is.

Word of warning, you should be sitting down when reading the next few sentences.

PC Graphics is the art of applying hacks. The power doesn't exist to do everything properly.

Breathe. Take it in. Breathe. Accept it. Breathe. Embrace it. Breathe. That's reality. Breathe. Get over it. Breathe

 

Humus is this something that can be added into the complier (hlsl or whatever the correct name is ) so that the radeons can benefit ?

 

humus

I had lots of respect for HUMUS until this latest episode.

first of all his immaturity in flaming NVDA rather than pointing out
yould could do SM3 emulation with SM2.

seconds. it is hack (althought it's good hack I admit it) and is
no replacement for real thing.

So I gather ATI will never implement SM3.0 since it's useless?

 

when did anyone say sm3.0 is useless .

They are just saying there are other ways equaly good that doesn't require sm3.0 for some things

 

Can someone please clarify two things, does this show :

1) Many / some / or only a rare few of SM 3.0 techniques can be readily converted to SM 2.0 techiques?

2) Its much faster (in at least some of these techiques) for NVidia to run the equivalent SM 2.0 rather than the SM 3.0 code?

Many thanks!

 

Re: 16 pipelines

nV themselves admitted they followed ATi's lead with the NV40 by supplying more, similar quads (thus the 12-pipe 6800 and 16-pipe GT/U from the same core).

I'm not sure why you're so sure ATi followed nV rather than vice-versa? Is it because nV launched the 6800U first? Does the fact that ATi had X800s in customers' hands first change your mind at all?

BRiT, unless you're the one pausing in between recommendations, you're missing an "e" at the end of each breath.

 

Re: 16 pipelines

Need more caffiene...

 

Re: It is, what it is.

So, you like getting ripped off that when you buy a $400-$500 US dollar video card that you are not getting what you should be getting (ie no 128 bit color and no SM 3.0)?

Look Nvidia did the same thing when they came out with their cards, no render target and their shaders were terrible with speed and now they got their crap together well at least for the moment and technology leader from the 9700 days are now missing in technology when it comes to direct x 9.0c

You don't have to be an Nvidiot to understand the basics of common sense here.

Nvidia is no better than ATI as a company,they make the same stupid mistakes, thats why I said they are run by rednecks, because they make the same stupid mistakes and not learn from any of it.

All I want is an ATI product that is competitive to Nvidia's Geforce 6800 Ultra and thats too much to ask for I guess.

Like I said, I am a programmer and want to make use of SM 3.0 object
instancing in my software. I am willing to pay out $500 US dollars for that
and have that feature which ATI does not have nor will have until 2005 and in my mind that is unacceptable.

If it wasn't for the PowerVR on this forum we probably would need to rename these forums to something with "Beyond ATI" instead of "Beyond 3D", thats how bad its become with fanboyism around here.

Look, Nvidia is at fault with a lot of people hating them and thats true, they are liars and cheaters and I can understand that.

To be fair though, ATI hasn't lied at least I have never seen that happen, but they have cheated according to threads on this forum.

I am not claming Nvidia to be a better company, but the Geforce 6800 Ultra is a product with more features that I need for what I am doing.

If ATI doesn't have those features that I need, then I can't purchase an ATI product, can I?

I want more for my money and Nvidia can currently do that for me, does it mean I am an Nvidiot? No. But ATI doesn't seem to want to put SM 3.0 in their products this year according to many, many sources on this board and they won't do so until 2005. Does that make me an Nvidiot? No.

So before you call someone an Nvidiot, please know what the hell you are talking about.

 

Re: It is, what it is.

I was going to say, isn't programming just a way of putting a bunch of hacks together in a useful and interesting way?

 

Re: It is, what it is.

I wasn't talking about General art of applying different was to accomplish something, I was talking about in this specific case.

Getting over it, is something you will have to take issue with yourself, its not my problem.

 

Re: It is, what it is.

Have you seen the SM 2.0 object instancing demo by ATI? Why do you need SM 3.0 to do the same thing? To me it looks like it's easily capable of being done in SM 2.0. Wait, let me guess, you're going to tell us that it's a hack too, right?

 

I bought a 5800ultra with promises as this will be the best dx 9 card with fp 32 and beyond ps 2.0 .

Guess what. Its running with less quality and slower in all the games i wnat to play (half life 2 , doom 3 , farcry) then my older 9700pro and it has less image quality and fsaa quality than the 9700pro.

You think now because nvidia has a sm3.0 card which is beyond p.s 2.0 and v.s 2.0 and it has 32fp that i'm going to trust that it will be the card for the games i want to play (half life 2 , doom 3 , farcry , everquest 2 ?)

I was burnt once by them and put up with crap for over a year from them holding back the industry.

Now we have the x800s which have less features just like the r3x0 line but has the speed to use the features it has as seen by the farcry benchmarks ati doesn't need sm3.0 to speed it up its already faster than the 6800ultra extreme in most cases with fsaa and aniso.

if you "need" those features to program apps then that is great.

You certianly don't need them to play games as the ati part will play the games with the same image qaulity faster than the 6800s with sm 3.0


I certianly did not get ripped off buying my x800xt . I"m playing all the games i want with over 4x fsaa and 16 aniso and getting great frames .

In 2 years it may not run unreal engine 3 games as fast as nvidia but all of us here would be upgrading again around that point so i highly doubt it matters .

 

Re: It is, what it is.

I've never paid more than $175 for a video card, I'm cheap.

True, but I also know that there is no need for either 128 bit color nor SM 3.0 yet and it isn't like ATi is claiming that their product has either.

I think I can safely say without too much bragging that I am an expert at video card fanboys. I might not be the brightest technically in the bunch, but I don't know that you could get a more knowledgeable person on the dynamics and characteristics of the various idiosyncrasies within the video card enthusiast community.

I say you're an nVidiot, and an nVidiot provocateur with an agenda like a few others in this thread at that.

My only questions about you concern motivation, not goal or label.

 

SM3

so SM3.0 usesful or not useful?

if it is useful then NVDA is ahead of ATI in terms of features

if it not useful whey bother to implement in future?

 

Re: It is, what it is.

Far Cry v1.2 shows the first SM3.0 benefits, and they don't show X800 owners as having been ripped off.

ATi may be lacking features, but they don't seem to be lacking speed. Please be more precise.

You may grasp the "basics" of common sense, but you don't seem to be grasping its application.

Now we're getting to the meat of the matter. The X800 and 6800 are generally made for gamers, not programmers, so I'm not sure how a lack of SM3.0 on the X800's part makes ATi into con artists.

And you feel one good <bleep> deserves another?

This seems sensible and understandable. Your previous posts seem to be less so, IMO.

 

Re: SM3

depends on what u mean by usefull.

Nvidia can use it and from one example (the only one ) it is not enough to be faster than the x800xt.