[Multiplat] Battlefield 3

[Rangers]

Well, have you seen the Sniper Ghost warrior game on Cryengine 3? Even on PC that probably will be top 3. There's evidence that yes, Cryengine 3 will place you among the best looking...

Disappointing visuals? Dont see that either. You'll also note the Dx11 patch a lot of people changed their tune which, from what I saw the Dx 11 patch did not even change the graphics that much, meaning the whiners had little basis in the first place.

You seem to base a lot on opinion(lies?) of the masses=truth. Which isn't so.

I imagine this debate is spinning OT though so...

 

[patsu]

We are on the topic of making bold PR statements. Naturally, we'll have to look at how the public respond. Cerat wouldn't need to deal with the backlash had he communicated in a softer manner.

I don't know if we will get to see more Crytek Engine games on PS3 and 360 though for top 3 best looking games.
The PC gamers expect a different visual standard. I'd imagine the DX11 patch added something tangible for them.

 

[kagemaru]

The link to the cancelled presentation.

That's what I thought you meant. It would be nice for an actual confirmation or at least where Ruskie got this information from.

Ah I see what you're saying. If you think C2 is the best looking game, then so be it ! You are of course entitled to your own opinion.

But I don't think C2 is the best looking game, I think it's one of them, I explained this earlier. I think C2 is great looking for reasons A, B, etc., I think Uncharted 2 is great looking for C, D,etc, and I think Halo Reach is great looking for reasons E, F, and etc.

That's how I look at graphics, I have a hard time saying game X is "the best" looking because there's likely a chance that other games will better it in other areas.

I am saying the Crytek CEO is wrong because:

* C2 is not necessarily the best looking game universally. It may very be the best looking game for him and you and many others, but there can be better looking games now and moving forward.

Best looking game universally? It's all a matter of opinion, no game is perfect in all respects, so universally is a trivial thing IMO.

And of course there can and will be better looking games now and moving forward, that's been common throughout gaming history. Only annoying thing I've found this gen is that a lot of people tend to have issue with someone's choice of "best looking" if it isn't on one specific platform, which is silly to say the least.

* "Speaking to gamesTM as part of a round table on the future of games, Yerl stated, "I think that there is not much more possible on the 360 and PS3 at this stage. We’re already using a lot of squeezing tricks and smoke and mirrors to get the maximum we can out of the hardware. We’re pushing the boundaries already. With CryEngine 3 I think going forward we’re going to require a new generation of console hardware"

e.g., C2 uses their custom AA technique that was criticized. May be they can try newer AA techniques ?

He said nothing more can be squeezed out of the current systems in this quote, but he was also quoted in saying "C2 pushed 100% of the 360, but Project Kingdom will pull 110%."

Point being it's all BS PR speak and none of it should really be taken serious IMO. If you're going to hang on one quote, then you should hang on them all.

This is all horribly OT though, so hopefully I explained my point well enough.

 

[patsu]

Best looking game universally? It's all a matter of opinion, no game is perfect in all respects, so universally is a trivial thing IMO.

And of course there can and will be better looking games now and moving forward, that's been common throughout gaming history. Only annoying thing I've found this gen is that a lot of people tend to have issue with someone's choice of "best looking" if it isn't on one specific platform, which is silly to say the least.



He said nothing more can be squeezed out of the current systems in this quote, but he was also quoted in saying "C2 pushed 100% of the 360, but Project Kingdom will pull 110%."

Point being it's all BS PR speak and none of it should really be taken serious IMO. If you're going to hang on one quote, then you should hang on them all.

I don't have to hang them. Their customers will; and some did complain openly enough to warrant a patch from Crytek. Interview statements from the CEO will mean something to the readers. At least dragonelite remembered the incident and brought up the point.

 

[kagemaru]

I don't have to hang them. Their customers will; and some did complain openly enough to warrant a patch from Crytek. Interview statements from the CEO will mean something to the readers. At least dragonelite remembered the incident and brought up the point.

You're missing the point. Doesn't matter if one person or every person hangs on their every words, neither scenario makes their comments any more true.

Crytek patched C2, not because they had some quote to live up to, but because it needed to be patched. It would have happened regardless of any prior comments.

 

[tabs]

I remember their CEO also touted about their secret, low cost 3D technique. Digital Foundry found that it's not turned on in the demo/beta and they said it would be in the final game. I haven't heard any detailed update since then. I should rent a copy and take a look when I get my 3D monitor.

Don't bother, this 'amazing' 3D technique is a sham. It simply renders your gun in 3D and pushes back everything else to a flat plane in the middle distance. It also doesn't even work with any of the new fancy DX11 stuff, so you have to disable that and play in console mode. It's an alright romp, but you're better off forgetting the 3D and using the new graphical options in my opinion.

 

[SedentaryJourney]

Anal retentive arguments about which game sets the graphical bar for consoles are always fun, but I really hope BF3 actually makes good on being a 30FPS game even if that means certain things look better in Crysis 2.

 

[Lucid_Dreamer]

Unless I'm mistaken, they replaced the 360 talk with more ps3 talk. If the problem was crunch mode, you would think it would effect their ability to talk about either version, no? What little that has been revealed on the console versions hasn't really given us much reason to be hopeful IMO.

I would think that crunch mode would effect the ability of the group working on a particular version to get that information to the group that talks about it. That would, in turn, only allow the other version to be talked about.

It seems like the other versions on BF3 (PC and PS3) are moving along a lot faster than the 360 version. Most of the extended effort/resources seems to be used by the 360 version of the game.

 

[Ruskie]

I would think that crunch mode would effect the ability of the group working on a particular version to get that information to the group that talks about it. That would, in turn, only allow the other version to be talked about.

It seems like the other versions on BF3 (PC and PS3) are moving along a lot faster than the 360 version.Most of the extended effort/resources seems to be used by the 360 version of the game.

Thats why I said that all the tech talk was about PS3 and PC,nothing for 360,and the one that was supposed to be was canceled.

 

[Tap In]

Cerat wouldn't need to deal with the backlash had he communicated in a softer manner

So you are saying he deserved to be socially punished. Because he offended the delicate sensibilities of some internet goons?

Ill never understand how some can justify their rantings over a PR statement or the manner in which it was delivered.

 

[patsu]

So you are saying he deserved to be socially punished. Because he offended the delicate sensibilities of some internet goons?

Not me, but you apparently think so.

Ill never understand how some can justify their rantings over a PR statement or the manner in which it was delivered.

You may have to deal with it. It became a long drawn dicussion because people misunderstood my post at the beginning and I had to elaborate. Part and parcel of a forum discussion or remote communication. The point is DICE did not make any bold claim about BF3 for 360.

Don't bother, this 'amazing' 3D technique is a sham. It simply renders your gun in 3D and pushes back everything else to a flat plane in the middle distance. It also doesn't even work with any of the new fancy DX11 stuff, so you have to disable that and play in console mode. It's an alright romp, but you're better off forgetting the 3D and using the new graphical options in my opinion.

Phhfffpp, do you have the slides ? I just want to know the technical stuff. There may be more under the hood.

 

[Tap In]

The point is DICE did not make any bold claim about BF3 for 360.

yes I understand your comment there but again my point stands. what does that have to do with how a game turns out? Why, I ask, should we get all bent out of shape (internet ranting goons) about PR statements "he lied to me!" frivolities, when it is the game that matters. As noted earlier more important in my scorecard is did they try to fake me out with disingenuous game footage, passing PC footage off as console or whatnot? No.

That is more egregious than someone giving an opinon that "my game will be the best looking game on consoles." (Which is actually true for some people) and what you would expect someone to say about their result of their hard work to accomplish just that result.

 

[patsu]

It was a short post to tell dragonelite not to worry about "PR claims vs actual output". As you mentioned above, it's not a healthy to make the thread look like another rant. You are free to take it whatever way you like. I shall wait for DICE's news. It's a beautiful Saturday !

 

[Tap In]

It was a short post to tell dragonelite not to worry about "PR claims vs actual output". As you mentioned above, it's not a healthy to make the thread look like another rant. You are free to take it whatever way you like. I shall wait for DICE's news. It's a beautiful Saturday !

("Cerat wouldn't need to deal with the backlash had he communicated in a softer manner")

Yes it is and I am not trying to burn you at the stake, just holding your feet to the fire a bit to make my point about PR comments and how they are used in the goonish internet game community. It is not the first time that I have read that argument here "well [insert developer] said this or that, so we need to hold him accountable if it is not 100% exactly as how I perceived the comment!!"

do not remember if you have been one of those but I am commenting on those that use *that* as justification for ranting on a dev (or as you called it, backlash). It's silly IMO.

 

[scently]

Thats why I said that all the tech talk was about PS3 and PC,nothing for 360,and the one that was supposed to be was canceled.

If you are not ready to provide the link stating this then please stop saying it as a fact.

 

[Ruskie]

If you are not ready to provide the link stating this then please stop saying it as a fact.

I said they had talks specifically about PC and PS3 and none for 360.Than Cristina Coffin said they will have the talk for SIGGRAPH,and I read a couple days ago on twitter(somebody from DICE) that they canceled it.Now Repi wrote they canceled 4 talks,there will be one talk about various rendering stuff.

This talk was intended to be 360/PS3 talk(NFS RUN) and they scraped it for just PS3.
http://www.siggraph.org/s2011/for_attendees/talks/sessions/116

 

[tabs]

Phhfffpp, do you have the slides ? I just want to know the technical stuff. There may be more under the hood.

There quite possibly is, because I noticed some strange ghosting at the edges of very near objects too, which would imply it's a little more complex than I stated, however the end result is very poor if you compare it with regular 3D gaming. It just looks like the crappy 2D to 3D converted films.

 

[NRP]

No wonder Repi quit talking about game tech. You guys get your panties in a bunch when they show and talk tech, then you get your panties in a bunch when they don't show and talk tech, often jumping to totally unfounded conclusions. You certainly are a neurotic lot.

 

[tuna]

No wonder Repi quit talking about game tech. You guys get your panties in a bunch when they show and talk tech, then you get your panties in a bunch when they don't show and talk tech, often jumping to totally unfounded conclusions. You certainly are a neurotic lot.

Are you talking about Crysis 2 stereoscopic 3D or something else?

 

[tabs]

No, Repi is at DICE.