[Multiplat] Battlefield 3
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Isn't that a matter of opinion? I think C2 is one of the best looking console games out but at the same time I can see why others would disagree.
True. Generally it wouldn't be an issue for me, if one system is sub-par, I'll just buy the other version (like DNF). However this time, friends are involved, which eliminates my option to buy the other version.
Yes and no. He forgot the art part. The final game is an amalgamation of art and tech. His technologies won't guarantee good art automagically.
Besides, if it's a completely subjective matter. His statement is already wrong, or rather not universally correct, by definition.
We can find angry Crysis 2 gamers by googling.
This whole post can be said for pretty much any game.
I'm not talking about the developer's hyperbolic comments, most developers do that to some extent these days. I'm just talking about your comment and how it's merely a matter of opinion.
This whole post can be said for pretty much any game.
... which is why I mentioned he's wrong, especially when one can find people who disagree strongly by googling. On PC, they released another patch to improve the game for DX11 boxes too.
For games that can't distance themselves clearly from the pack, it would not be convincing. But they can keep working on it ! ^_^
Feel free to solicit other opinions. ^_^
But if you think the whole post above can be said for any game, then it may not be an opinion.
What makes you say they were wrong? While there are games (like Uncharted 3, Gears 3) that compete with C2, I havent seen any head and shoulders above it.
Are you trying to tie this into BF3 being clearly above C2 on console? Because I dont see that based on what we've seen so far, which is little. I do see that on PC. Anyways fully tricked out C2 with Hi Res/DX 11 pack might give BF3 a run on PC anyway.
I cant imagine the Crytek CEO would make such a statement related to PC, because he of all people should know you can never claim the crown permanently on PC with it's ever increasing specs. I just recall him saying C2 was all the juice you could squeeze out of consoles, which I havent seen greatly disproven yet. You could probably quibble about it, but there's nothing clear cut imo. Clearly disproving it would be, if they got that BF3 PC footage running relatively as is on consoles. But from what we saw on Kimmel, they didn't. Which I suppose shouldn't surprise us, though I was naively hopeful.
If you're basing who's wrong on finding people disagreeing on the internet, then to you everyone is wrong. Welcome to the internet where many people disagree with each other.
Games aren't really distancing themselves these days IMO and you can easily find people who disagree with other people on what they currently think is "the best looking" game. Me? I've said it before, I don't put single games on a pedestal, so there is no clear winner for me. I just see certain games as "one of the best" for specific reasons where I may see other games in a similar way for other reasons.
I think you missed my point, so I don't understand the point of soliciting other opinions. It's not like opinions prove anything in the end anyways.
What I am trying to say is the result of every game's presentation is an amalgamation of art and tech. Doesn't change the fact that I can think highly of C2's presentation where others (like you) obviously don't.
In the end, my point remains, it's all a matter of opinion and there really is no wrong answer.
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Dragonelite is concerned that DICE is pulling a Crysis 2 scenario. I simply pointed out that I haven't seen any bold claims by BF3 staff yet. All they did was publish their technical findings. ^_^
Conversely, it would be hard to convince people that C2 is the best looking game.
Bold claims have little to do with how well or poor a version can turn out though, so to me, your original comment made little sense.
Exactly the situation C2 got into. My point was DICE didn't make any bold claim and hence not in the same boat as Crytek. They simply published their technical findings.
Oh I see now. Crytek made claims that C2 would be the best looking console game, but Dice have not, so expectations for BF3 should not be set to such high standards.
That's your point right? If so, then I agree, though with everything I've read, I do expect BF3 to turn out to be one of the best looking console games still.
Don't believe in what?
If you're basing who's wrong on finding people disagreeing on the internet, then to you everyone is wrong. Welcome to the internet where many people disagree with each other.
Games aren't really distancing themselves these days IMO and you can easily find people who disagree with other people on what they currently think is "the best looking" game. Me? I've said it before, I don't put single games on a pedestal, so there is no clear winner for me. I just see certain games as "one of the best" for specific reasons where I may see other games in a similar way for other reasons.
I think you missed my point, so I don't understand the point of soliciting other opinions. It's not like opinions prove anything in the end anyways.
What I am trying to say is the result of every game's presentation is an amalgamation of art and tech. Doesn't change the fact that I can think highly of C2's presentation where others (like you) obviously don't.
In the end, my point remains, it's all a matter of opinion and there really is no wrong answer.
Ah I see what you're saying. If you think C2 is the best looking game, then so be it ! You are of course entitled to your own opinion.
I am saying the Crytek CEO is wrong because:
* C2 is not necessarily the best looking game universally. It may very be the best looking game for him and you and many others, but there can be better looking games now and moving forward.
* "Speaking to gamesTM as part of a round table on the future of games, Yerl stated, "I think that there is not much more possible on the 360 and PS3 at this stage. We’re already using a lot of squeezing tricks and smoke and mirrors to get the maximum we can out of the hardware. We’re pushing the boundaries already. With CryEngine 3 I think going forward we’re going to require a new generation of console hardware"
e.g., C2 uses their custom AA technique that was criticized. May be they can try newer AA techniques ?
On PC side...
Crytek Admit PC Version Of Crysis 2 “Backfired”:
http://greyviper.com/5721/crytek-admit-pc-version-crysis-2-backfired.html
They didn't make any bold claim but they did show exclusively amazing looking PC footage for a good while, while not making it explicitly clear or showing console footage, which imo is arguably more disingenuous.
I'd argue that to this day the great BF3 hype is based on those amazing visuals of the early snippets, which will likely not be replicated on console where the majority of people are going to buy it. It's almost a bait and switch. Heck they still wont show console footage. Crytek also didnt stipulate which versions for some time, but they did seem to show a good mix right throughout whether labeled or not, and there also isn't as much of a dropoff from PC to console there.
Hey, it worked, BF3 has a lot of hype and I'll be buying it and I'm excited. But it does bother me a little bit.
But hey, nobody is bashing Dice and everybody bashed Crytek to hell and back, just goes to show the unfair bias inherent is so many areas of life. It's the same thing when Brett Favre throws an INT in the NFL it's replayed 1000 times on sportscenter and it's the reason they lost, if some other QB does nobody notices,
It depends on how you approach the communication.
They may felt pressured to show the PC footage as console footage because the CEO set up the high expectation up front (and the console work is not done yet). Crytek has finite resources. Whatever they churned out will also be limited by time and resources.
I remember their CEO also touted about their secret, low cost 3D technique. Digital Foundry found that it's not turned on in the demo/beta and they said it would be in the final game. I haven't heard any detailed update since then. I should rent a copy and take a look when I get my 3D monitor.
They may felt pressured to show the PC footage as console footage because the CEO set up the high expectation up front (and the console work is not done yet). Crytek has finite resources. Whatever they churned out will also be limited by time and resources.
I remember their CEO also touted about their secret, low cost 3D technique. Digital Foundry found that it's not turned on in the demo/beta and they said it would be in the final game. I haven't heard any detailed update since then. I should rent a copy and take a look when I get my 3D monitor.
Ehh? I dont feel like Crytek pulled a bait and switch with PC footage, moreso Dice.
Yes that's the quote I remembered, and it's console specific as I remembered. You threw PC's in there as well which he did not say. Your quote:
To say BF3 PC is head and shoulders above C2 console? Sure, agree. BF3 console vs C2 console? Well we havent seen much BF3 console, but now it's probably a matter of opinion.
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