MS's "rush to next-gen could see the Xbox take a tumble

[GwymWeepa]

. All my casual gamer friends pretty much see Nintendo as a kids only system, they have to work against that just to make up mindshare, let alone gain enough to outpace a ps3, there's just no way.

*runs before the flames hit him*

Hey, I love Nintendo, really do, there's nothing I'd like to see more than for them to have a huge success with the revolution, but they'll have to be working against one major competitor coming out early and stealing up potential buyers and then the monster that is Sony, how the flipping heck are they going to even match one of its competitors? I just hope whatever gimmick they are working on that they feel justifies code-naming the machine revolution isn't something horrible and that they flood us with excellent next-gen content (of all the licenses in the world I want to see with new shiny graphics, its Metroid)

Oh i trust you that you weren't trolling, but you used the forbidden words. "Nintendo" and the "k" word in the same sentence. I'm worried about what other members will retaliate with...

*runs*

lol, well I'm sorta new, but anyone who'd argue that the image of Nintendo isn't that of a children's console should talk to some casual gamers. I mean the thing released in purple with a handle, it looked like a purse, my friends called it gheycube, that isn't a good image to portray to the public. Hopefully Nintendo learns their lessons, I think they will, but they have to make up for the negative image.

 

[thop]

My friends called it gheycube.

I think that says more about your friends than about the Cube

 

[Jov]

Woohoo we didn't have the Nintendo kiddy debate in a while

Anyway, i'm pretty sure Nintendo themselves see their main focus on kids. Fair enough i must say, i was a little boy as well when i first played Mario, Zelda etc. and so were most here i assume. Not to think if Nintendo had focused on the 18-34 year old casual gamers back then I think it was pretty clear from their E3 conference that they don't plan to abandon kids.

Focusing on more mature titles doesn't mean they have to abandon the kids market. The way I see it, the kids who might have the money (mid to later teens) will want a PS2 (or Xbox) cause most of the older kids (18-34 ) got one. You know at that age u want to do what the adults are doing and don't want to be viewed as a kid.

And some of us older kids (18&lt still plays kids games... why? cause they're fun... whatelse!

 

[Deepak]

Mario equipped with Granede launcher would do wonders for N's image.

 

[GwymWeepa]

My friends called it gheycube.

I think that says more about your friends than about the Cube

Friends, their mutual friends, internet message boards...the cause? Marketing the purple cube, the over-all design...no one I've known has ever made such a derrogatory statement towards the Xbox and ps2.

 

[Jov]

I think they will, but they have to make up for the negative image.

Negative image?? I'll take my (black) Cube over my Xbox anyday!! If there is such image problem its due to the content of games... not the look of the machine.

 

[GwymWeepa]

Mario equipped with Granede launcher would do wonders for N's image.

That would destroy it, and everyone knows it, what they need to do is focus on new franchises that teens and adults prefer.

 

[GwymWeepa]

I think they will, but they have to make up for the negative image.

Negative image?? I'll take my (black) Cube over my Xbox anyday!! If there is such image problem its due to the content of games... not the look of the machine.

The look started the negative image of the Gamecube, though games at this point are much more important, the GC just doesn't get the love and attention the ps2 and Xbox get at this point.

 

[Jov]

Mario equipped with Granede launcher would do wonders for N's image.

Samus Aran with more sex appeal but more conservative than Croft, if you know what I mean.

 

[Jov]

The look started the negative image of the Gamecube, though games at this point are much more important, the GC just doesn't get the love and attention the ps2 and Xbox get at this point.

Cause kids (my def. of kids extends more to maturity than age ) wants adult toys, thus more luving for the PS2 and BoX.

Personally the design of the Cube is great... just stick to black!

 

[GwymWeepa]

The look started the negative image of the Gamecube, though games at this point are much more important, the GC just doesn't get the love and attention the ps2 and Xbox get at this point.

Cause kids (my def. of kids extends more to maturity than age ) wants adult toys, thus more luving for the PS2 and BoX.

Personally the design of the Cube is great... just stick to black!

That's the thing, what if Cube had a more generic, non-offensive electronics device style...I think they'd be doing somewhat better, and would at least help to alter their image, giving them an easier time for next-gen.

Also, for personal taste, even in black, the cube is one of the ugliest machines I've ever laid eyes on

 

[GwymWeepa]

But anyway, back on topic, I think releasing early is the smartest thing MS can do, launching at the same time as Sony and still being successful IMO would rely more on luck than anything else, while releasing early will rely on MS getting enough great software titles to appeal to early console adoptors craving something new...a situation ideally suited to MS.

 

[Jov]

Also, for personal taste, even in black, the cube is one of the ugliest machines I've ever laid eyes on

For me that honor goes to the Box... I hope MS improves in this area as well (size, look and no ugly X in the middle).

Imagine you have your sound and vision setups, then in the middle is the Xbox. I can stand the PS2 up and it fits right in. The Cube with its black isn't too bad, but the Xbox and its big greeness... I have no way around it.. but close the doors after use.. hidden away... but thats just me.

 

[GwymWeepa]

Also, for personal taste, even in black, the cube is one of the ugliest machines I've ever laid eyes on

For me that honor goes to the Box... I hope MS improves in this area as well (size, look and no ugly X in the middle).

Imagine you have your sound and vision setups, then in the middle is the Xbox. I can stand the PS2 up and it fits right in. The Cube with its black isn't too bad, but the Xbox and its big greeness... I have no way around it.. but close the doors after use.. hidden away... but thats just me.

Well to me the Xbox is just big for nothing lol, basically a bulky VCR, and usually with set-ups I've seen in people's homes, you rarely see the top...so its no biggie, while something like gamecube...well it can be tricky to put in an entertainment center, since its top loading.

 

[Evil_Cloud]

Mario equipped with Granede launcher would do wonders for N's image.

That would destroy it, and everyone knows it, what they need to do is focus on new franchises that teens and adults prefer.

New franchises is what they need, like Pikmin, Eternal Darkness...

 

[Jov]

But anyway, back on topic, I think releasing early is the smartest thing MS can do, launching at the same time as Sony and still being successful IMO would rely more on luck than anything else, while releasing early will rely on MS getting enough great software titles to appeal to early console adoptors craving something new...a situation ideally suited to MS.

Gotta to look at the PS2 to see how this might work out assuming MS will lack AAA titles (e.g. PS2) at launch. Can anyone post some figures and time frame of PS2 when Xbox and Cube was released. I think it was like 20 mil. Also how long did it take for the PS2 to reach 40 and 60 mil??

The initial 20 mil could be due greatly to the DVD feature, but this was eliminated when the Xbox launched, thus implies content was the sole driving force for PS2 selling like hot cakes.

Given MS lacks content (personal view of likihood), there is no DVD-like feature to boost sales of NextBox. Assume only a few mil NeXtBox installed base, the PS3 will more likily than not steam roll it upon release. *not a pretty sight for MS*

 

[GwymWeepa]

But anyway, back on topic, I think releasing early is the smartest thing MS can do, launching at the same time as Sony and still being successful IMO would rely more on luck than anything else, while releasing early will rely on MS getting enough great software titles to appeal to early console adoptors craving something new...a situation ideally suited to MS.

Gotta to look at the PS2 to see how this might work out assuming MS will lack AAA titles (e.g. PS2) at launch. Can anyone post some figures and time frame of PS2 when Xbox and Cube was released. I think it was like 20 mil. Also how long did it take for the PS2 to reach 40 and 60 mil??

The initial 20 mil could be due greatly to the DVD feature, but this was eliminated when the Xbox launched, thus implies content was the sole driving force for PS2 selling like hot cakes.

Given MS lacks content (personal view of likihood), there is no DVD-like feature to boost sales of NextBox. Assume only a few mil NeXtBox installed base, the PS3 will more likily than not steam roll it upon release. *not a pretty sight for MS*

Well that's near a worst case realistic scenario for MS, I'd like to think that if they have the AAA stuff at launch and has some great content month and month for nearly a year they'll not only have a few million units sold, but they'll probably have millions of other people saving their pennies for one since at that point it'll have a larger library of quality titles than its competition since naturally they'll only just then be launching.

Now, waiting until Sony launches...pff they'll be steam rolled day one unless a miracle occurs.

 

[thop]

MS needs Halo2 or Ninja Gaiden2 for launch. They don't have many other potential AAA titles.

 

[Jov]

Now, waiting until Sony launches...pff they'll be steam rolled day one unless a miracle occurs.

MS builds up its AAAs (+ hype for them), launch just after PS3, then I wonder who will look silly?? Like I said consumers have short memory and are flickle animals... can switch sides if you show them what they want at the same time excite them. Especially when unexpected and you deliever the wow factor, then your the knight in shiny shine armor compared to Sony not having top content - major contrast!!

Then time AAA title releases to defuse Sony's PR and releases, but at this time you've won a major mindshare... well thats theory.

 

[London Geezer]

I think MS needs to borrow Sony's methods from the PS1 days, and Sony will need to REALLY work it in the marketing side of things, when they release at a much later date than the competition, in order to keep their mind&marketshare.