MS xbox360 launch hype tactics?

Shifty Geezer said:
No they didn't. This has been covered quite a lot but you persist in using it as an example for Sony changng their minds. Not that I'm saying they don't - the best laid plans yadayada. But using the 'PS3 has already lost router functionality' argument doesn't work because router functionality was never promised for it in the first place.

Sure they did . The announced it in the specs at e3 and talked about it in interviews
 
jvd said:
Sure they did . The announced it in the specs at e3 and talked about it in interviews

You are being wilfully ignorant. They even said in those interviews, explicitly, that it was NOT a router!

There is no excuse for continuing to claim to the contrary. We've raked over this numerous times now.

It was announced at E3 as a three-port switching hub, this was explained in interviews - and that it was not a router - and that's how it remains. Show me one quote from Sony saying it's a router.
 
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Titanio said:
You are being wilfully ignorant. They even said in those interviews, explicitly, that it was NOT a router!

It was announced at E3 as a three-port switching hub, this was explained in interviews - and that it was not a router - and that's how it remains. Show me one quote from Sony saying it's a router.

Sure , i will pull out the old game informer .
 
jvd said:
Sure , i will pull out the old game informer .

I want a quote from Sony, not some journo who doesn't know the difference between a switch and a router. OK? I'd also like to see these interviews you talk about, because I can point you to E3 interviews wherein it is explicitly said that it is NOT a router. For example, from the Masa Chatani PC Watch Impress E3 interview:

Q. Gigabit Ethernet connectors are listed as In x 1 + Out x 2, what does it mean? Does it have router function and are they for WAN/LAN? Or do you use a special connection to connect multiple PS3s together?

A. It has no router function. It's supposed to be a switching hub internally, but I don't know about the meaning of In/Out frankly so will answer about it at the next opportunity. Of course you can connect PS3s together. After it's on sale, some will make a supercomputer by connecting many PS3s. Apparently Sony Picture Entertainment is considering to use PS3 in a rendering farm for movies.
 
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jvd said:
Sure they did . The announced it in the specs at e3 and talked about it in interviews
If you can show me where I'll be pleased to see it. The internet abounds with talk and articles of 'Router Function Dropped' but I haven't been able to find anything that says PS3 was to have router functionality at E3. I believe there was a Sony spokesman who said something along those lines without using the term correctly. By accounts the decision not to be a router was made before E3.
 
Titanio said:
I want a quote from Sony, not some journo who doesn't know the difference between a switch and a router. OK? I'd also like to see these interviews you talk about, because I can point you to E3 interviews wherein it is explicitly said that it is NOT a router.
I know there is a quote in the gameinformer . So i'm going to get the game informer when i get home tonight. I'm not going to spend 6 hours searching through e3 reports for it .
 
jvd said:
I know there is a quote in the gameinformer . So i'm going to get the game informer when i get home tonight. I'm not going to spend 6 hours searching through e3 reports for it .

Well see my quote above for the explicit explanation from Chatani at E3 that it was NOT a router, for example. The spec sheets I'm looking at from E3 do not mention router functionality. I remember listening to the conference also, previously, to confirm that "router" was not mentioned, and indeed it was not - it's referred to as a switch, or switching hub. That's what it is, that's what it always was, and that's what it remains as.

Looking back on earlier threads on B3D about this, you even participated yourself in threads where all of this was corrected and clarified. So you do know better.
 
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Titanio said:
Well see my quote above for the explicit explanation from Chatani at E3 that it was NOT a router, for example. The spec sheets I'm looking at from E3 do not mention router functionality. I remember listening to the conference also, previously, to confirm that "router" was not mentioned, and indeed it was not - it's referred to as a switch, or switching hub. That's what it is, that's what it always was, and that's what it remains as.

Looking back on earlier threads on B3D about this, you even participated yourself in threads where all of this was corrected and clarified. So you do know better.

obvously not everyone agrees.
I believe there was a Sony spokesman who said something along those lines without using the term correctly. By accounts the decision not to be a router was made before E3.

so obviouslysothers remember it said by a sony spokesman .
 
jvd said:
obvously not everyone agrees.


so obviouslysothers remember it said by a sony spokesman .

Well go find that quote.

In the meantime, ask yourself how wise it might be to cling to a quote from an anonymous (and if true, simply mistaken) "Sony spokesperson" when you have all you need from multiple much better sources right in front of you to see that it was never announced as part of the spec. Read the Chatani interview, listen to the conference, read the E3 spec. What more do you want?
 
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jvd said:
I know there is a quote in the gameinformer . So i'm going to get the game informer when i get home tonight. I'm not going to spend 6 hours searching through e3 reports for it .

Look at the darn quote Titiano posted above you man!! The guy is what the CTO of Sony. Can you imagine how many stripes Masa Chatani has earned in the past? And you want to grab a Gameinformer. What, you can't be serious? Please stop it. Please for the sake a Sonic just stop.
 
At the first announcement of PS3 (the conference pre-e3) Kutaragi explicitly said "Switching hub" (switch) and made no mention of a Router. There is also that Chatani interview that said the PS3 had "no router function". At this point, jvd, I'm not sure who you could quote that could possibly discredit either of those two sources. The only router mentions were from people guessing or completely misinterpreting things (like gi.biz and many other sites who can't tell a hub from a router).

Sony never said PS3 would have router functionality -- and a quote from game informer is hardly enough to discredit two sources (which were at the first announcement of PS3) saying otherwise. It's a fruitless arguement to even try it; it was never announced to begin with.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Look at the darn quote Titiano posted above you man!! The guy is what the CTO of Sony. Can you imagine how many stripes Masa Chatani has earned in the past? And you want to grab a Gameinformer. What, you can't be serious? Please stop it. Please for the sake a Sonic just stop.

Of course i'm serious . I'm sorry but if a person from sony says it will have router like functions than that is sony saying it will.

As for stoping perhaps you , yourself should stop it . I'm getting tired of your constant attacks
 
jvd said:
Of course i'm serious . I'm sorry but if a person from sony says it will have router like functions than that is sony saying it will.

And if Sony's CTO says it does not, when its announced at E3 as a switching hub, when the specs refer to simply the 2 input/output ports and nothing more...

...?

But of course, you wish to crucify Sony at any (perceived) opportunity.
 
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Titanio said:
And if Sony's CTO, for one, says it does not...

...?

But of course, you wish to crucify Sony at any (perceived) opportunity.

of course i would . And others would go through any lengths including attacking ml and nikko group to protect sony .

Whats your point

if you want to call me a name then be a man and do it . Or if your waiting for someone to go in and ban me keep poking me with a stick
 
jvd said:
Of course i'm serious . I'm sorry but if a person from sony says it will have router like functions than that is sony saying it will.

As for stoping perhaps you , yourself should stop it . I'm getting tired of your constant attacks

Man you hate Sony THAT much kid? I didn't know it was like that. Why do you ignore what the CTO the Chief Technology Officer (I think that's it) of Sony has to say, but you listen to some Sony hype man making $8 per hour working a 4 hour shift at E3 for 3 days?
 
jvd said:
of course i would . And others would go through any lengths including attacking ml and nikko group to protect sony .

I'm not sure what you're talking about at all I'm afraid.

jvd said:
Whats your point

My point is you are perpetuating a myth in the face of massive evidence to the contrary. You have done so on multiple occasions now, simply because you like the idea of "Sony's broken promises".

I don't want to call you any names, I want you to stop spreading misinformation.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Man you hate Sony THAT much kid? I didn't know it was like that. Why do you ignore what the CTO the Chief Technology Officer (I think that's it) of Sony has to say, but you listen to some Sony hype man making $8 per hour working a 4 hour shift at E3 for 3 days?

A sony employee has said it .

I don't see why there is more debate on the subject . If a sony employee is not briefed on the product they are annoucning at a big event then there are problems with sony.
 
jvd said:
A sony employee has said it .

I don't see why there is more debate on the subject . If a sony employee is not briefed on the product they are annoucning at a big event then there are problems with sony.

If a Sony rep did mistakenly say that, it is no more of a gaffe than for example MS's website error claiming 720p DVD upscaling. Anyone who knew what they were talking about in that instance knew it was wrong, just like anyone who had paid attention at E3 and listened to the likes of Kutaragi and Chatani would know that that rep was wrong.

But of course, you prefer to solely pay attention to this quote we've yet to see rather than SCEI's president or CTO (or again, even the spec sheet).

Oh - and it would it really be so remarkable if a rep did mistakenly refer to it as a router? As evidenced by the media reporting of that Kutaragi interview, very few seem to know the difference between a switch and a router..
 
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jvd said:
A sony employee has said it .

I don't see why there is more debate on the subject . If a sony employee is not briefed on the product they are annoucning at a big event then there are problems with sony.

Keep keep keep it on baby. Keep lighting that fire to burn Sony to the ground.:LOL: If you are going to ignore Masa Chatani then there is nothing else I can say to you. And you think I'm a fanguy sheesh.
 
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