MS announces "XNA"
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Chris_Donahue
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Chalnoth said:[militant Linux]Bah, only if you're a MS pansy....[/militant Linux]Chris_Donahue said:you should know that all good technology is first ported to PowerPoint!
you calling me an MS pansy? You don't know me pal, most people don't know this but I spent 16 years as a general contractor doing commercial construction before I became a computer geek and before that I was in the marines for 3 years... that sound like a pansy to you?
Chris_Donahue
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nelg said:Truth be told, I would not be scared at all. Did you noticed the Ontario licence plates on the car? We all drive like that here.Chris_Donahue said:nelg said:
Wooooohooooooo! Lemme drive!!!! Come on, we'll get there faster!!!
...or not
Yep, sure did - that's where David and the Psuedo team are located... though I'm not sure he has a Saleen
Chris_Donahue
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Chalnoth said:
Really? So you're saying I'm not a real man based on the fact that I don't use your favorite operating system?... ya, that's the way most people determine what makes a "real" man... oh, wait, no it's not
Chris_Donahue
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jvd said:
I agree... glad I didn't do it...
Hello Chris,Chris_Donahue said:
I would have a little question if you don't mind, just to make sure I got things clearly from my coder point of view:
1. XNA is a programming model
2. The commitment is to incorporate support for it in the platforms and to integrate (or at least make the experience similar) the XNA-related dev tools within the standard dev tools.
Would you say that's correct? A bit? A lot?
Chris_Donahue:
> Ah young cynical padwan
Of course.
> Not say did I that this was from XNA...
It's certainly implied.
> Remember, XNA is new
Are you familiar with the saying "Old wine in new bottles"?
XNA as an initiative may be new but it builds on existing technology. Why should I be impressed? So you make it a little easier to port games from PC to Xbox and vice versa... big whoop
> Ah young cynical padwan
Of course.
> Not say did I that this was from XNA...
It's certainly implied.
> Remember, XNA is new
Are you familiar with the saying "Old wine in new bottles"?
XNA as an initiative may be new but it builds on existing technology. Why should I be impressed? So you make it a little easier to port games from PC to Xbox and vice versa... big whoop
Chris_Donahue
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Remi said:
A programming model? Would you characterize Win32 as a programming model? I don't want to put XNA in a box - the nice thing is that there is so much potential in defining what XNA is - I'd hate to corral it to something restricive like a "model".
I think your second point hits what we are tring to do with XNA - thanks for putting it so succintly!
Chris, is it possible to shed any light on this "reference controller design" that's going to be shared between the Xbox and PC at this point? Basically, my questions are as follows:
1) Is this something that we're going to have to wait until the next Xbox/Longhorn to see?
2) What form will this controller take? Something MS will produce itself, or just supply a reference design to other manufacturers like Logitech/Saitek? Or both?
3) Have console developers indicated such a standard controller design will significantly improve their chances of bringing such titles to the PC?
As I've mentioned before, if MS wants to iron out the controller problems (with respect to gamepads) on the PC, the sooner the better - I think waiting 2 years for this will be a mistake, frankly IMO MS should have released their own offical Xbox->PC adapter with decent drivers when it dropped the Sidewinder line at least as an interim solution. Cheap, sells the pieces of Xbox hardware that MS actually makes a profit on, and would quelch these constant "What's the best control method for Splinter Cell?" debates.
And not a question, but a demand: Get Crimson Skies:HRTR ported back to the PC, dammit!
And btw folks, Chris is not an "MS Pansy". He's an "MS Whore". Please, get it right.
And before you ask, I'm Reynold's whore.
1) Is this something that we're going to have to wait until the next Xbox/Longhorn to see?
2) What form will this controller take? Something MS will produce itself, or just supply a reference design to other manufacturers like Logitech/Saitek? Or both?
3) Have console developers indicated such a standard controller design will significantly improve their chances of bringing such titles to the PC?
As I've mentioned before, if MS wants to iron out the controller problems (with respect to gamepads) on the PC, the sooner the better - I think waiting 2 years for this will be a mistake, frankly IMO MS should have released their own offical Xbox->PC adapter with decent drivers when it dropped the Sidewinder line at least as an interim solution. Cheap, sells the pieces of Xbox hardware that MS actually makes a profit on, and would quelch these constant "What's the best control method for Splinter Cell?" debates.
And not a question, but a demand: Get Crimson Skies:HRTR ported back to the PC, dammit!
And btw folks, Chris is not an "MS Pansy". He's an "MS Whore". Please, get it right.
And before you ask, I'm Reynold's whore.
hoom
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I think what everyone seems to have missed is the bit about defining some interface standards (as in interface between different software/outputs not like game interface).
At the moment the middleware vendors are just making their own interfaces how they want with resultant incompatibilities etc.
What M$ is saying is 'come talk with us & lets all sort out some joint industry standard interfaces so that all our software will work together better (or at all) & developers don't need to worry about incompatibilities/format conversion'
That sounds like a really good improvement.
OK so they'll be proprietary M$ domination enhancing standards...
But if I get great new games faster...
...must...resist...temptation...
The engine glow doesn't 'pop through the arm', it bleeds past.
Its a glow effect & the actual engine light is above the arm, so the glow extends over the arm.
Similarly, from my viewing of the crash demo the cars don't 'instantly deform' but are actually progressively deforming & clearly dynamically based on the collision angle/speed/point of impact etc
I wanna know when we can get executables of these demos
At the moment the middleware vendors are just making their own interfaces how they want with resultant incompatibilities etc.
What M$ is saying is 'come talk with us & lets all sort out some joint industry standard interfaces so that all our software will work together better (or at all) & developers don't need to worry about incompatibilities/format conversion'
That sounds like a really good improvement.
OK so they'll be proprietary M$ domination enhancing standards...
But if I get great new games faster...
...must...resist...temptation...
The engine glow doesn't 'pop through the arm', it bleeds past.
Its a glow effect & the actual engine light is above the arm, so the glow extends over the arm.
Similarly, from my viewing of the crash demo the cars don't 'instantly deform' but are actually progressively deforming & clearly dynamically based on the collision angle/speed/point of impact etc
I wanna know when we can get executables of these demos
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