Moore: Xbox 360 HD-DVD for movies only and there will be no internal drive.

[dukmahsik]

new Moore interview:

http://gameinformer.com/News/Story/200601/N06.0106.1235.53927.htm

GI: Sony keeps reiterating the point that high definition doesn’t start until they come to the market…

Moore: This is where I got pissed off with somebody. I’m a big consumer of Sony stuff. I have Sony digital cameras. I have Sony TVs in my house. So it’s funny when they said, was it Phil Harrison that said the real Hi-Def is 1080p? So I go back and look at my Sony TV that’s got High Definition there that outputs at 720p. I either want my money back or I want an explanation. (laughs) High Definition is 720p. It’s good enough for me.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Maybe non-commital?

No. 'I never say never' is noncommital. But Moore says outright that it doesn't make a lot of sense to release a single unit HDDVD XB360. Hence, according to Moore's reasoning (he gives his reason by way of an analogy with a house, though I don't know that that's appropriate for a piece of CE technology), a new XB360 with integrated HDDVD drive is nonsensical, or silly, or daft, or stupid, or whatever the worst word for the job is.

 

[seismologist]

It looks like HD DVD games are on their way. It would be stupid for them to announce it now or no one would buy the current 360's on the shelf.

The add on drive will probably be for people who have a first-gen 360 with DVD only.

 

["Nerve-Damage"]

Why make a different more expensive version of their console for a format which is DOA.

Yupp!!

 

[Bigus Dickus]

new Moore interview:

http://gameinformer.com/News/Story/200601/N06.0106.1235.53927.htm

GI: Sony keeps reiterating the point that high definition doesn’t start until they come to the market…

Moore: This is where I got pissed off with somebody. I’m a big consumer of Sony stuff. I have Sony digital cameras. I have Sony TVs in my house. So it’s funny when they said, was it Phil Harrison that said the real Hi-Def is 1080p? So I go back and look at my Sony TV that’s got High Definition there that outputs at 720p. I either want my money back or I want an explanation. (laughs) High Definition is 720p. It’s good enough for me.

Well, that's just marketspeak from Sony, and I can't really fault them too much for it because all companies are guilty of as much. Though it does seem particularly humorous, since Sony has pushed numerous HD products from entry level (if HD has that...) to some very expensive projectors for many many years. And now they are essentially saying "we lied, all of our previous products aren't really HD like we told you they were... joke's on you! HD starts with 1080p and the PS3 (oh, but don't look too close to see how many TV's actually support that, or if any content will be available for a few years...)."

 

[RavenFox]

Well, that's just marketspeak from Sony, and I can't really fault them too much for it because all companies are guilty of as much. Though it does seem particularly humorous, since Sony has pushed numerous HD products from entry level (if HD has that...) to some very expensive projectors for many many years. And now they are essentially saying "we lied, all of our previous products aren't really HD like we told you they were... joke's on you! HD starts with 1080p and the PS3 (oh, but don't look too close to see how many TV's actually support that, or if any content will be available for a few years...)."

There talking about this in the console realm not their other products. Why is this so hard for people to fathom. Moore is protecting 360 when he says 720p is HD and Sony is pushing the PS3 by saying hey we can do the next step up which is 1080p. Plain and simple.

 

[Bigus Dickus]

There talking about this in the console realm not their other products. Why is this so hard for people to fathom.

That's otherwise known as being hypocritical. Why is that so hard for you to fathom? Hey, again, it's not like other companies don't do the same, but why deny that Sony is doing it now?

...Sony is pushing the PS3 by saying hey we can do the next step up which is 1080p. Plain and simple.

They aren't saying they can do the "next step up," they are saying that 1080p is the first "true" HD, which contradicts what they have been saying to their customers for years now. Quite a difference.

I think it's just semantics, personally, which is what marketing is all about. If Sony were making statments such as "the PS3 is the first to offer HD to its fullest extent," or "maximum HD starts with the PS3," or "the PS3 is the first to unlock the full potential of HD" then I don't think you'd see anyone complaining. But instead they chose to use the phrasing that 1080p is the only "true" HD, which most feel is not only untrue but dirty and hypocritical. Unfortunately, it only continues the trend of all companies using dirty hypocritical marketspeak.

 

[ihamoitc2005]

720p

But instead they chose to use the phrasing that 1080p is the only "true" HD, which most feel is not only untrue but dirty and hypocritical. Unfortunately, it only continues the trend of all companies using dirty hypocritical marketspeak.

If 720P is standard for "arrival" of HD era games then HD era started 5 years ago with original Xbox no?

 

[Bigus Dickus]

In the console market, technically, yes... for the whole one game or so that used 720p and for the two people that both owned that game and displayed it on HDTV's.

But HDTV encompasses a lot more than the console market... it also includes displays and broadcasts/satellite/cable, for which everyone (including Sony, prominently so) has been pushing that 720p and 1080i are both in the HDTV standard. In fact, the argument to date has been over which of these formats offered the best visual fidelity, since both 1080p displays and content were always a ways off.

So what is Sony trying to say, really? "Sorry... jokes on you. 720p and 1080i are really just EDTV, even though we and others told you otherwise. 1080p is the only true HD resolution."

Doesn't that sound abit, well, stupid?

 

[ihamoitc2005]

In the console market, technically, yes... for the whole one game or so that used 720p and for the two people that both owned that game and displayed it on HDTV's.

But HDTV encompasses a lot more than the console market... it also includes displays and broadcasts/satellite/cable, for which everyone (including Sony, prominently so) has been pushing that 720p and 1080i are both in the HDTV standard. In fact, the argument to date has been over which of these formats offered the best visual fidelity, since both 1080p displays and content were always a ways off.

I agree HD era is much more than games my friend but Microsoft claim that Xbox360 is "arrival" of HD era because it is 720P cannot be for video because it can only play 480P DVD. So Microsoft claim of arrival of HD era for Xbox360 can be only for games, not video, so by Microsoft standard, HD era starts 5 years ago!

So what is Sony trying to say, really? "Sorry... jokes on you. 720p and 1080i are really just EDTV, even though we and others told you otherwise. 1080p is the only true HD resolution."

Doesn't that sound abit, well, stupid?

PS3 is first device that can play games and movies in all HD formats.

 

[AlphaWolf]

PS3 is first device that can play games and movies in all HD formats.

The PS3 isn't anything yet.

 

[Bigus Dickus]

I agree HD era is much more than games my friend but Microsoft claim that Xbox360 is "arrival" of HD era because it is 720P cannot be for video because it can only play 480P DVD. So Microsoft claim of arrival of HD era for Xbox360 can be only for games, not video, so by Microsoft standard, HD era starts 5 years ago!

I agree, MS's marketspeak leaves a lot to be desired as well. They have a legitimate point, however, that while the XBOX hardward was in principle capable of it (and at the time IIRC they promoted that point heavily), content did not make use of it. For the 360, they are correct that HD "content" has arrived on the console gaming scene (though, ironically, even MS game studio titles don't yet appear to be natively full 720p ).

It's all semantics, as is all marketing. Sony seems to have stepped on quite a few more toes and ruffled quite a few more feathers than MS however.

PS3 is first device that can play games and movies in all HD formats.

I do agree that the PS3 will be (when it gets here) the first console that "can" play games in all HD resolutions, as well as movies (though standalone players will have that title before the PS3 arrives). But "will" games use 1080p? That one is still yet to be answered.

 

[mrdarko]

The PS3 isn't anything yet.

ouch!

do you own a 720p sony EDTV

 

[AlphaWolf]

ouch!

do you own a 720p sony EDTV

Samsung

 

[mrdarko]

Samsung

ah ah..didn't they lie about the hdmi connection or something?

 

[rabidrabbit]

A month ago:

Microsoft, in both America and Japan, has not announced anything regarding the possibility of a next generation DVD drive being placed in the Xbox 360," a Microsoft spokesperson told IGN. "There are currently no plans to release an Xbox 360 equipped with a next generation DVD player.

http://gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=13623
was also discussed here
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26642&highlight=hd-dvd
(ehem... please note I said then that statement meant nothing, and was just dodging the question... I'm not saying I was right, but )

Now they just announced the add in HD-DVD for xbox360, although a month ago they denied it.
Does that make MS liars? Well, technically they didn't lie, as it's not exactly "a xbox360 equipped with a next generation DVD player"

Edit: I say MS will not ever release this addon HD-DVD, mark my words

 

[cthellis42]

Personally, I think people are picking at Phil's comments unduly, GI included. (But hey, what do you expect them to do when they can get good sound bytes and fuel the gaming "turf war"?)

I certainly don't think he was literally saying "1080p is TRUE HIGH DEFINITION and everything else is not!" especially considering he'd just said immediately before that "The true definition of HD is the three elements of the HD value chain - the display, the content and the hardware to play back that content,"

Wait, a minute! By the same logic, he's also saying their 1080p televisions aren't the "true definition of HD" because they're only the display, not the content nor the hardware to play back that content! LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FI...!!!

Oh wait, perhaps he's just in the middle of crowing about the PS3 in general and tossing around some attention-getting buzzwords?

 

[Platon]

I don't care whether Sony or MS is first with the HD era thing, PCs have been HD for ages, welcome to the past, they are just catching up now and Sony and MS can do nothing about the HD era if the whole industry does not go for it, PR BS you gotta loooove it...

 

[rabidrabbit]

But this is a concole forum, for console people, we'll have no trouble here.

 

[Platon]

But this is a concole forum, for console people, we'll have no trouble here.

Don't worry, except for some old adventure games, for now my PC gamming days are over, so this has noting to do with any PC vs console crap, it is just to set some perspective and maybe people should relax a bit over who is the first with the HD era thing, such a stupid thing to "fight" about...