Mixed Information on Consoles or How I learned to loathe PR *spin off*

[zupallinere]

Another interesting part of the article:

"Scorpio obviously will have a more powerful spec, but won't PS4 Pro always be cheaper? Scorpio has a bigger processor, more RAM, potentially a 4K Blu-ray drive - that can't be cheap. I get the sense it's already being billed as a premium product. Won't you run up against a tough comparison next year when Scorpio is more expensive than PS Pro?

Albert Penello: Well, we haven't announced the price yet, so we'll see.

Sure, but the expectation is PS4 Pro will be cheaper than Scorpio, right?

Albert Penello: It will be an interesting discussion next time we chat!"

Seriously wonder if Microsoft would go $399 and announce a price well in advance to stem PS4 Pro sales?

399 seems to be a popular number to shoot for. Even with jag cores they could sell plenty of Scorpios as that price. Of course the price of the ps4pro may well be something else by the time the Scorpios arrive.

I can't imagine the price being released so early tho since it would also affect Xbox one sales unless they don't see that as a big issue anymore

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[Jay]

Another interesting part of the article:

"Scorpio obviously will have a more powerful spec, but won't PS4 Pro always be cheaper? Scorpio has a bigger processor, more RAM, potentially a 4K Blu-ray drive - that can't be cheap. I get the sense it's already being billed as a premium product. Won't you run up against a tough comparison next year when Scorpio is more expensive than PS Pro?

Albert Penello: Well, we haven't announced the price yet, so we'll see.

Sure, but the expectation is PS4 Pro will be cheaper than Scorpio, right?

Albert Penello: It will be an interesting discussion next time we chat!"

Seriously wonder if Microsoft would go $399 and announce a price well in advance to stem PS4 Pro sales?

I don't see how it could come in cheaper, and don't know if it needs to even match it, maybe $50 more would put it in same ball park and still amaze people?

If they could get the slim down to $280 and Scorpio in at $450, that would also give their devices enough spread in price also. Something I feel that ps4 & ps4p is lacking a bit.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I don't see how it could come in cheaper...

Loss leader, but that'd be financially stupid, probably.

 

[mpg1]

I don't see how it could come in cheaper, and don't know if it needs to even match it, maybe $50 more would put it in same ball park and still amaze people?

If they could get the slim down to $280 and Scorpio in at $450, that would also give their devices enough spread in price also. Something I feel that ps4 & ps4p is lacking a bit.

Yeah I guess $450 could also be feasible.

 

[Jay]

Loss leader, but that'd be financially stupid, probably.

guess so, selling at pretty much cost, I could see.
I just don't see any of them wanting to go back to selling the console at a loss again.

more likely to sell it with 10 bundled games

 

[zupallinere]

Loss leader, but that'd be financially stupid, probably.

To get back market share for a new business model of a more virtualized and integrated Windows/XBOX platform, something amortized over years, it might be worth the risk to sell at a loss of some amount

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[mrcorbo]

Rather than trying to hit $399, I think they would be better served by trying to replace the internal hard drive with a 512MB m.2 SSD while still staying under the $499 price ceiling. This single addition would do more to create a premium user experience relative to the PS4 Pro than the extra TFLOPS, would allow for a smaller form factor,* and allow for major cost reduction over the next few years as Scorpio transitions from a premium product to a mainstream product.

*Shifty comma

 

[goonergaz]

Another interesting part of the article:

"Scorpio obviously will have a more powerful spec, but won't PS4 Pro always be cheaper? Scorpio has a bigger processor, more RAM, potentially a 4K Blu-ray drive - that can't be cheap. I get the sense it's already being billed as a premium product. Won't you run up against a tough comparison next year when Scorpio is more expensive than PS Pro?

Albert Penello: Well, we haven't announced the price yet, so we'll see.

Sure, but the expectation is PS4 Pro will be cheaper than Scorpio, right?

Albert Penello: It will be an interesting discussion next time we chat!"

Seriously wonder if Microsoft would go $399 and announce a price well in advance to stem PS4 Pro sales?

Hardly going to say otherwise - this is your a typical political reply. I believe Sony did the same when asked about the Pro after the Scorpio reveal.

I find it hard to believe a company selling $300 console will hit 4x the power for just 1/3 extra 1 year later (I should imagine people buying today would be a little upset) - all this 'cutting edge tech' will come at a cost.

 

[mpg1]

Rather than trying to hit $399, I think they would be better served by trying to replace the internal hard drive with a 512MB m.2 SSD while still staying under the $499 price ceiling. This single addition would do more to create a premium user experience relative to the PS4 Pro than the extra TFLOPS, would allow for a smaller form factor,* and allow for major cost reduction over the next few years as Scorpio transitions from a premium product to a mainstream product.

*Shifty comma

Yeah I agree I definitely would buy that but I am skeptical they could keep it under $500 initially.

 

[Globalisateur]

I will say, the most shocking thing about all of this is how Sony and us arrived at a similar strategy, even though the execution is different in nuanced ways.

Except Sony has being very clear and detailed about forward and backward compatibility imposed to the devs. But in this interview:

Anybody who buys an Xbox One today, they already are buying Scorpio games. There are already games that will look better and games that will be in 4K. So they're already invested in Scorpio. All their accessories work, and their account carries over, and it's going to be seamless.

Not one mention about FC in the whole interview, only BC. Clearly they must have being warned not to specifically talk about FC and not doing what Spencer awkwardly did previously. Their message is already changing.

So de facto in this interview (as he never mentioned the very important subject of FC) they have a very different strategy. 4Pro is mid-gen, Scorpio is next gen + BC (which has already being done previously with some variations here and there: Wii, Wii U, PS2, launch PS3).

 

[MrFox]

Except Sony has being very clear and detailed about forward and backward compatibility imposed to the devs. But in this interview:

Not one mention about FC in the whole interview, only BC. Clearly they must have being warned not to specifically talk about FC and not doing what Spencer awkwardly did previously. Their message is already changing.

So de facto in this interview (as he never mentioned the very important subject of FC) they have a very different strategy. 4Pro is mid-gen, Scorpio is next gen + BC (which has already being done previously with some variations here and there: Wii, Wii U, PS2, launch PS3).

Aw crap.

 

[Clukos]

Except Sony has being very clear and detailed about forward and backward compatibility imposed to the devs. But in this interview:



Not one mention about FC in the whole interview, only BC. Clearly they must have being warned not to specifically talk about FC and not doing what Spencer awkwardly did previously. Their message is already changing.

So de facto in this interview (as he never mentioned the very important subject of FC) they have a very different strategy. 4Pro is mid-gen, Scorpio is next gen + BC (which has already being done previously with some variations here and there: Wii, Wii U, PS2, launch PS3).

If anything, what you quoted specifically points out that every game released on XB1 -from "today" onward- will be forward compatible with the Scorpio.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

To get back market share for a new business model of a more virtualized and integrated Windows/XBOX platform, something amortized over years, it might be worth the risk to sell at a loss of some amount

Doubt the gains in marketshare would offset the losses of units sold.

 

[iroboto]

Except Sony has being very clear and detailed about forward and backward compatibility imposed to the devs. But in this interview:



Not one mention about FC in the whole interview, only BC. Clearly they must have being warned not to specifically talk about FC and not doing what Spencer awkwardly did previously. Their message is already changing.

So de facto in this interview (as he never mentioned the very important subject of FC) they have a very different strategy. 4Pro is mid-gen, Scorpio is next gen + BC (which has already being done previously with some variations here and there: Wii, Wii U, PS2, launch PS3).

Everything is forward Compatible with Scorpio. Scorpio exists in the XBO generation like Pro exists in the PS4 generation. As there are no Pro exclusives as there are no Scorpio exclusives: that should imply forward compatibility.

Though the tune of both companies may change when the OG consoles hit end of life.

The question is whether Scorpio is forward compatible with the console following; XB2. For which that answer has not yet been revealed, but the likelihood is high especially with the move to permanently cement XBO peripherals go forward on PC and consoles.


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[eastmen]

I don't see how it could come in cheaper, and don't know if it needs to even match it, maybe $50 more would put it in same ball park and still amaze people?

If they could get the slim down to $280 and Scorpio in at $450, that would also give their devices enough spread in price also. Something I feel that ps4 & ps4p is lacking a bit.

its coming a year later on what will most likely be a more mature process and ram prices are always droping

I think The xbox s wuld be down to $250 maybe even $200

Rather than trying to hit $399, I think they would be better served by trying to replace the internal hard drive with a 512MB m.2 SSD while still staying under the $499 price ceiling. This single addition would do more to create a premium user experience relative to the PS4 Pro than the extra TFLOPS, would allow for a smaller form factor,* and allow for major cost reduction over the next few years as Scorpio transitions from a premium product to a mainstream product.

*Shifty comma

I don't think they a $100 price premium to go with nand. You can get 512 gig ssds as a consumer for between $100 and $150. If you rememove the standard drive you would have $30 to spend towards the nand . A jump up wouldn't cost much

Hardly going to say otherwise - this is your a typical political reply. I believe Sony did the same when asked about the Pro after the Scorpio reveal.

I find it hard to believe a company selling $300 console will hit 4x the power for just 1/3 extra 1 year later (I should imagine people buying today would be a little upset) - all this 'cutting edge tech' will come at a cost.

Sony was selling a $350 console and released a $400 one that is twice the power of it . Heck they put out a $300 slim next to a 4 times more powerful pro at only $100 more. The price doesn't really mean anything. Sony and MS may have been happy making money or not loosing money on each unit sold

Except Sony has being very clear and detailed about forward and backward compatibility imposed to the devs. But in this interview:



Not one mention about FC in the whole interview, only BC. Clearly they must have being warned not to specifically talk about FC and not doing what Spencer awkwardly did previously. Their message is already changing.

So de facto in this interview (as he never mentioned the very important subject of FC) they have a very different strategy. 4Pro is mid-gen, Scorpio is next gen + BC (which has already being done previously with some variations here and there: Wii, Wii U, PS2, launch PS3).

I think its obvious that right now xbox one is the main dev platform all the games coming out at launch of scorpio will be xbox one games running at higher res with better settings. At some point in the future it will switch to scorpio being the lead platform and xbox one getting down graded ports with lower settings and what not until they phase the xbox one out.

 

[mpg1]

Pro isn't 4 times as powerful...the GPU is 2.3 times as powerful and cpu/memory is like 1.3 times as powerful/fast.

 

[iroboto]

Hardly going to say otherwise - this is your a typical political reply. I believe Sony did the same when asked about the Pro after the Scorpio reveal.

I find it hard to believe a company selling $300 console will hit 4x the power for just 1/3 extra 1 year later (I should imagine people buying today would be a little upset) - all this 'cutting edge tech' will come at a cost.

Hmm. Doubtful. MS provided a whole years notice and made a massive hoopla about it. Huge hoopla. Huge 4K native hoopla. Huge power hoopla.

If you bought the XBO S, you knew what you were doing and why.

Everybody criticized MS for announcing two consoles at E3 and everyone said Slim would be DOA because they knew Scorpio was coming just 16 months later. But it was to the consumers benefit here. They were transparent and it gave customers time to plan and think about how they want to approach the transition to 4K.

Both consoles do 4K fully, one does it natively. You pay for that premium when the time arrives. Either way you go, you get a full 4K experience. Your price sensitivity will
help you decide which one you want.

No reason to be upset as a consumer here.

I just don't see how anyone could possibly be upset. Pricing for Scorpio is unlikely to be released until post E3 and you still have months to plan what to do.


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[mrcorbo]

Except Sony has being very clear and detailed about forward and backward compatibility imposed to the devs. But in this interview:



Not one mention about FC in the whole interview, only BC. Clearly they must have being warned not to specifically talk about FC and not doing what Spencer awkwardly did previously. Their message is already changing.

So de facto in this interview (as he never mentioned the very important subject of FC) they have a very different strategy. 4Pro is mid-gen, Scorpio is next gen + BC (which has already being done previously with some variations here and there: Wii, Wii U, PS2, launch PS3).

If I have several conversations with different people about my weekend plans and consistently mention that I am going to a concert on Saturday night and a football game on Sunday and then have a conversation later where I only mention going to the concert, would it make sense to assume that, because I didn't mention it in every single conversation, that I wasn't actually going to the football game on Sunday?

 

[AlNom]

so eager for a witch hunt

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Hang on, wasn't Albert Penello the same exec who spent so much time on GAF in 2013 trying to convince everybody that resolution didn't matter vis-à-vis Xbox One vs. PS4 game resolutions? This is why if you believe anything a paid company spokesman says, whether they are from Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo or Apple, then you're an idiot.