Mixed Information on Consoles or How I learned to loathe PR *spin off*

[mrcorbo]

Hang on, wasn't Albert Penello the same exec who spent so much time on GAF in 2013 trying to convince everybody that resolution didn't matter vis-à-vis Xbox One vs. PS4 game resolutions? This is why if you believe anything a paid company spokesman says, whether they are from Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo or Apple, then you're an idiot.

As I've said before, as long as you filter the statements through the lens of, "This statement was made on behalf of a company and is therefore going to try to present the facts in a way that is most favorable to that company." I think you're fine. So, don't believe *everything* a paid company spokesman says, but most people with any objectivity can probably spot the misleading statements and de-spin them back to reality.

Edit:Almost forgot. On the subject of Penello specifically, the guy has a long track record of mis-statements at this point. The latest being the conflation of 384-bit and 320 GB/s wrt to the memory (which he copped to on twitter and GAF without actually confirming the 384 mis-statement was because of there being a 384-bit bus.)

 

[MrFox]

I'm still waiting to see how they will redefine the words "generation", and "native", the way they redefined the word "exclusive".

 

[trainplane]

I don't know what the price of Scorpio will be but I don't expect it to be more than $450 US because they will eventually position this to be the base in 2020/2021 if Scorpio 2 comes out and a drop of $200 in 3-4 years is a lot. Now they did drop from $500 to $300 with XBO but that was removing the Kinect which could be seen as a $100 part, or in other words, if they didn't have Kinect, the console would have likely started at $400 like PS4.

These companies don't build consoles just for the launch period but have a long view for them, what they will look like in 3-6 years.

By his mis-speak, did that exec virtually confirm a 384-bit bus? The next interviewer should ask if the CPU choice makes him feel at peace.

 

[mrcorbo]

I'm still waiting to see how they will redefine the words "generation", and "native", the way they redefined the word "exclusive".

Are you as eager to see them re-establish the proper definition of "4K"?

 

[Esrever]

Hang on, wasn't Albert Penello the same exec who spent so much time on GAF in 2013 trying to convince everybody that resolution didn't matter vis-à-vis Xbox One vs. PS4 game resolutions? This is why if you believe anything a paid company spokesman says, whether they are from Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo or Apple, then you're an idiot.

In my opinion, resolution doesn't matter as much to people on the internet makes it out to. Internet hype and the extension of perceived benefit is what actually drives all the stigma of the different resolution. I wonder how many average consumer would be able to identify the resolution of a game when playing on a couch in a blind study (i.e. take 2 groups of people make them all play a game and rate it out of 10 with 2 with different resolutions, don't even tell them the study is about resolution). Since no study like this exists, he is no more wrong or right than people who think resolution is important. Then again, nobody ever really uses the scientific method on the internet.

 

[MrFox]

Are you as eager to see them re-establish the proper definition of "4K"?

No, that part is boring.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

In my opinion, resolution doesn't matter as much to people on the internet makes it out to.

I agree. I run no games over 1440p on my 4K TV because I can't see any difference above that. Given that it's preferable to run cooler and quieter. GeForce 1080 here so 4K/60 is solid in most games. In my as team library.

But my point is about PR rather than technical considerations. Somebody with better eyesight than I, or who sits on top of their monitor/TV, may discern details in native 4K that my eyes cannot. For me 4K is beyond the point of diminishing returns and I'd much rather see better quality graphics, e.g. extended draw distances for objects, lighting and shadows, smoother shadows etc.

 

[mpg1]

15 years from now: "guys I really don't seen they need for going past 8k..more gpu power could be used to enhance these already super photo-realstic graphics or go to bump up the framerate to 240fps in my opinion... p.s. I tried going back to 4K last week and it looks like crap"

 

[GrimThorne]

15 years from now: "guys I really don't seen they need for going past 8k..more gpu power could be used to enhance these already super photo-realstic graphics or go to bump up the framerate to 240fps in my opinion... p.s. I tried going back to 4K last week and it looks like crap"

" The fox who longed for grapes, beholds with pain
The tempting clusters were too high to gain;
Grieved in his heart he forced a careless smile,
And cried, ‘They’re sharp and hardly worth my while"

 

[temesgen]

Hang on, wasn't Albert Penello the same exec who spent so much time on GAF in 2013 trying to convince everybody that resolution didn't matter vis-à-vis Xbox One vs. PS4 game resolutions? This is why if you believe anything a paid company spokesman says, whether they are from Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo or Apple, then you're an idiot.

There is no way Sony is conceding a spec advantage to Scorpio, PlayStation invented modern 3D graphics on the console.... Albert is damaged goods at this point although ironically his comments might be more accurate this time.....

 

[trainplane]

There is no way Sony is conceding a spec advantage to Scorpio, PlayStation invented modern 3D graphics on the console.... Albert is damaged goods at this point although ironically his comments might be more accurate this time.....

PS4 Pro Pro coming in 2017?

 

[temesgen]

PS4 Pro Pro coming in 2017?

No chance Sony does that, this generation will see a shift from 1080p to 4k for many however not to beat a dead horse but if you don't have a 4k set IMO PS4 Pro and Scorpio solve a problem you probably don't have.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

No chance Sony does that, this generation will see a shift from 1080p to 4k for many however not to beat a dead horse but if you don't have a 4k set IMO PS4 Pro and Scorpio solve a problem you probably don't have.

Maybe. Personally I find quite a few console games in 1080p are still more jaggy than I'd like on my TV but even a modest bump to 1440p eliminates virtually all of these. So the new consoles will offer super sampled 1080p output.

But I'd like more 'richness' of graphics over resolution increases that I can't see. Scorpio can do this better than Pro.

 

[function]

Everything is forward Compatible with Scorpio. Scorpio exists in the XBO generation like Pro exists in the PS4 generation.

I see things differently. I think Scorpio is intended to exist and be a target for games development beyond X1, while PS4Pro is intentionally tied directly to the PS4 with both PS4 and PS4Pro intended to be superseded by PS5 at the same time.

MS have been very clear about wanting to move to a more PC like ecosystem, where the hardware develops and the software goes with it. Even the language like "no-one gets left behind" and "forward compatible" is different to Sony's.

Sony on the other hand have been explicit about maintaining generations, and have avoided any and every mention of "forward compatibility", because the PS4Pro isn't an eventual replacement for the PS4.

 

[Jay]

@function what impact do you see that having if sony goes generational but Ms doesn't?
and ps5, x2 ends up same performance wise?

 

[iroboto]

I see things differently. I think Scorpio is intended to exist and be a target for games development beyond X1, while PS4Pro is intentionally tied directly to the PS4 with both PS4 and PS4Pro intended to be superseded by PS5 at the same time.

MS have been very clear about wanting to move to a more PC like ecosystem, where the hardware develops and the software goes with it. Even the language like "no-one gets left behind" and "forward compatible" is different to Sony's.

Sony on the other hand have been explicit about maintaining generations, and have avoided any and every mention of "forward compatibility", because the PS4Pro isn't an eventual replacement for the PS4.

Which is probably accurate. At least that's also what I got from Spencer's words. But that probably strengthens the argument of forward compatibility than it does reduce it.

For as long as Xbox One is still in service Scorpio will be handling the 4K ports of those games. When XBO is end of life perhaps at that point in time we will see a change in the graphics profile. Perhaps we will see the resolution double back to checkerboard and increase the quality per pixel while the new console takes the flag ship resolution.

I dunno. But I wouldn't say MS messaging is less clear than Sony's. Its much more upsetting if you bought a Pro and your library stopped shortly after PS5 is released.


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[goonergaz]

Sony was selling a $350 console and released a $400 one that is twice the power of it . Heck they put out a $300 slim next to a 4 times more powerful pro at only $100 more. The price doesn't really mean anything. Sony and MS may have been happy making money or not loosing money on each unit sold

It's not quite the same is it. Sony has the slim and Pro, there's no surprises - before the slim comes out folk know they can wait and pay 30% more for 2x the power and both machines are sharing similar tech...whereas for MS you buy a slim now and in 12 months a 4x more powerful console comes out using new tech.

 

[goonergaz]

Hmm. Doubtful. MS provided a whole years notice and made a massive hoopla about it. Huge hoopla. Huge 4K native hoopla. Huge power hoopla.

If you bought the XBO S, you knew what you were doing and why.

Everybody criticized MS for announcing two consoles at E3 and everyone said Slim would be DOA because they knew Scorpio was coming just 16 months later. But it was to the consumers benefit here. They were transparent and it gave customers time to plan and think about how they want to approach the transition to 4K.

Both consoles do 4K fully, one does it natively. You pay for that premium when the time arrives. Either way you go, you get a full 4K experience. Your price sensitivity will
help you decide which one you want.

No reason to be upset as a consumer here.

I just don't see how anyone could possibly be upset. Pricing for Scorpio is unlikely to be released until post E3 and you still have months to plan what to do.


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You do realise some people think the Slim is the Scorpio? Also I'm not sure how much planning you can do with half the data missing. Time will tell anyway

 

[mpg1]

You do realise some people think the Slim is the Scorpio? Also I'm not sure how much planning you can do with half the data missing. Time will tell anyway

Yeah I have thought of this as well. Microsoft announced both consoles at the same time and both have the word 4K attached to marketing. Wouldn't be shocked if a lot of casual consumers just assumed Xbox One S was a totally new Xbox.

 

[mrcorbo]

You do realise some people think the Slim is the Scorpio?

Yeah I have thought of this as well. Microsoft announced both consoles at the same time and both have the word 4K attached to marketing. Wouldn't be shocked if a lot of casual consumers just assumed Xbox One S was a totally new Xbox.

The product name (Xbox One S) follows the naming convention from the previous generation, though. So I would think the expectation would be Xbox One -> Xbox One S = Xbox 360 -> Xbox 360 S.