Microsoft acquired Activision Blizzard King for $69 Billion on 2023-10-13

Once all the kiddies are put to bed, the adults will step in again. Within a few months, MS will forget the deal and forge ahead and purchase a few studios that would still turn heads and make Xbox gamers happy.
The implications are much bigger here than console warring. If MS doesn’t fight this will be the playbook to block MS from doing anything from here on forward, they are effectively a cloud company at this point in time.

I can’t imagine MS not appealing the decision, and they won’t be able to make any other purchases because of said reason; they are already the leader in cloud gaming no reason to bolster them any further.
 
The implications are much bigger here than console warring. If MS doesn’t fight this will be the playbook to block MS from doing anything from here on forward, they are effectively a cloud company at this point in time.

I can’t imagine MS not appealing the decision, and they won’t be able to make any other purchases because of said reason; they are already the leader in cloud gaming no reason to bolster them any further.
Or if the EU allows the merger and the win the court case with the FTC they just go ahead with the purchase. Then UK would have to make a choice , ban ms from operating there which would hurt the UK a lot or ban MS from operating their gaming service in that market. Which of course goes against everything the CMA has said.

My guess is if the EU passes it and MS wins with the FTC before this goes before the CMA they will have to pass it through with some concession almost as crazy as their reasoning for denying it.

Although part of me wants it to fail and MS just says fuck it and pays for console exclusivty of COD once the sony contract ends and has it day and date with xcloud too.
 
The implications are much bigger here than console warring. If MS doesn’t fight this will be the playbook to block MS from doing anything from here on forward, they are effectively a cloud company at this point in time.

I can’t imagine MS not appealing the decision, and they won’t be able to make any other purchases because of said reason; they are already the leader in cloud gaming no reason to bolster them any further.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but nowhere is the CMA saying they can't buy anything though? They just cant do purchases of this magnitude which makes sense. They bought Bethesda without any issues and that was already considered to be the biggest aquisition of the big 3 in history.

It's the same argument bandied around about how "Sony is the leader of the console market so they can't do acquisitions anymore because of competition concerns." Of course they can. Just not super big ones like this.


Microsoft doesn't need to "fight" to normalize buying up 22 dev publishers with 70 billion dollar payouts on the regular. They need to focus on getting their own studios in order to put out content at a consistent and reasonable tick.

They already have more studios than Sony does. The games should be coming regardless. If that's not enough and they want to have huge market advantage by default then the CMAs reasoning ends up being valid.
 
I used to be the biggest optimist for where OnLive and cloud gaming can take us (lol my b3d account is from 2006 and 2 of my 11 posts are about gakai/onlive), but since then its been the total opposite, we want less latency in our gaming hardware, and we want better image quality along with higher refresh rates. these are things that cloud gaming are bad at. feels a bit too proactive for CMA to care about this market
 
Microsoft doesn't need to "fight" to normalize buying up 22 dev publishers with 70 billion dollar payouts on the regular. They need to focus on getting their own studios in order to put out content at a consistent and reasonable tick.

This. So much this.

The fact that after 20 years in the console space this is still something that needs to said, blows my mind.

Also, this was obviously bigger than the console space but most(fans, gaming media YouTubers)were gaslit into screaming COD, COD, COD.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but nowhere is the CMA saying they can't buy anything though? They just cant do purchases of this magnitude which makes sense. They bought Bethesda without any issues and that was already considered to be the biggest aquisition of the big 3 in history.

It's the same argument bandied around about how "Sony is the leader of the console market so they can't do acquisitions anymore because of competition concerns." Of course they can. Just not super big ones like this.


Microsoft doesn't need to "fight" to normalize buying up 22 dev publishers with 70 billion dollar payouts on the regular. They need to focus on getting their own studios in order to put out content at a consistent and reasonable tick.

They already have more studios than Sony does. The games should be coming regardless. If that's not enough and they want to have huge market advantage by default then the CMAs reasoning ends up being valid.

Whats the difference between MS buying up Activison and buying up 68B worth of developers ?

Just having slightly more studios wont change the fact that in some markets thy might as well not exist like in japan. That the drives defacto exclusives for Sony and Nintendo that MS wouldn't get. Not only that but if you are in second place or third place depending on how you want to view the video game market , you aren't going to win back market share by just keeping up the status quo. In order to gain market share or stop loosing market share MS would have to be able to put out more exclusive content on their platform vs Sony or Nintendo. That includes first party game , defacto exclusives from other markets and of course marketing deal the market leaders would enjoy.

Focusing on getting their own studios in order is a laughable excuse to claim they don't need to buy more developers because the same could be said at sony the other company buying up studios. I don't know what super big ones mean. Is it okay if Ms only bought Mega big ones ? Ultra mega zoid ones ? If wanted to buy take 2 which has a market cap of 20.5B vs AB 60B is that okay ? Sint its a third of the cost is that just a Big one and not a super big one ?

MS should fight to be able to buy whatever company they want just like any other company should fight to buy something. If they are ultimately blocked from buying it is another matter entirely but nothing should stop companies from trying to better compete.
 
I have Q.s...

1. How big does a market need to be for a the CMA, or other similar org to factor into a decision like this?

Currently the clous market for Xbox is pretty small, has there been any attempt to quantify or put a value on that market?
I mean people who exclusively use xcloud for gaming? and not as " oh it's a nice addon i get for free with my console/windows gamepass?"
It seems to me that, that market would be very small. Further it seems somewhat petty of the CMA to refuse the deal because of such a small market.
I understand the theory that it MIGHT be huge in the future, but I also might win the lottery?

2. Does the CMA consider the "stream from your own console" functionality equivalent to cloud gaming?

I'm thinking here of the tumors of the new Sony handheld, which only streams from your console..?
If Sony can demonstrate a competitive product, would that not influence the CMA decision making?


Also Goddamn it, i was really hoping for this thing to go thru.
I want Tony hawk 1+2 via gamepass! Diablo 4 would be nice too
 
10 years is exactly how long Sony has had since purchasing Gakki to do fuck all with it.
Do fuck all? They've managed to operate cloud without going bust.closing it down, unlike everyone else who tried. The only reason MS has grown Cloud as quickly as it has is dumping limitless cash into the endeavour, like all these massive-growth sub service. Without a spare $20 billion to chuck at cloud gaming, or a desire to get investors on board with promises of massive returns, Sony, nor anyone else, can grow Cloud like MS.
10 years is a huge amount of time its a 5th of the length of the video game market even existing.
I pointed that out. Why are you repeating a point I stated like I never stated it?
If you want to regulate to avoid an MS os type dominance you'd have to start regulating Sony heavily since their dominance in the console market will help them dominate in the cloud market.
I agree. If Sony make moves this big, or lots little ones in this direction, they too should be regulated when they start to be a threat. So good that we're all on the same page, regulation is necessary to stop the biggest fish always getting bigger in new markets simply by being able to afford to buy success.
 
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agree. If Sony make moves this big, or lots little ones in this direction, they too should be regulated when they start to be a threat. So good that we're all on the same page, regulation is necessary to stop the biggest fish always getting bigger in new markets simply by being able to afford to buy success.
And also hit media companies and telcos with the same strict rules too.
 
I absolutely hate the idea of MS using hundreds of billions they earned elsewhere to buy up companies in another industry. It irks me that instead of trying to grow organically they have decided to use their size to money hat their way to the top.

More importantly though, MS have completely mismanaged the 23ish? studios they already own and their first party output is abysmal. Learn how to properly manage what you already own before you spend $68 billion on more.

So glad this got canned. They also need to rethink Phil Spencer's leadership if this is his solution to Xbox floundering for years.
 
There is also a lot of hypocrisy from MS. They are trying to convince regulators that the aim is to make games available to more players. But thats a half statement
Their official statement when they annjounced the acquisition was to strengthen their first party exclusive games. Making games available to more players by expanding their availability on other platforms and making games available to more players who buy MS's platforms instead of competitors' are not the same but both can be interpeted as "making games available to more players"
 
Regardless of whether the MS-Activision deal is blocked why not go ahead with the 10 year deals if the true motive is to enhance the market for gamers and availability of games?
Shouldn't MS have been making such deals in the past prior to the Activision/Blizzard merger news?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but nowhere is the CMA saying they can't buy anything though? They just cant do purchases of this magnitude which makes sense. They bought Bethesda without any issues and that was already considered to be the biggest aquisition of the big 3 in history.

It's the same argument bandied around about how "Sony is the leader of the console market so they can't do acquisitions anymore because of competition concerns." Of course they can. Just not super big ones like this.
They aren't allowed to do M&A for the cloud space is basically what was judged. That's a problem as Scott_Arm brings up, you're convinced that cloud will succeed therefore we block you now. But no one can guarantee that, so the latter half is the issue here for MS. They are being anchored to a future that hasn't happened.

A big reason why this is a weak platform, is pretty much saying Elon Musk should have spent 40B to make his own twitter, or any billionaire for that matter, and the reality is, and everyone knows it, you can't.
Investment doesn't guarantee success. VR has had billions invested into it by Meta, Sony, Valve and others, where are the banger titles there?

Building a business is like a horse race, you have no idea whose going to win and there's often only 1 winner. Part of the reason why M&A exists is because companies can actually purchase something with known quantities instead of _hoping_ organically it will work out. If it was so easy to spent 70B to organically make hundreds of studios belt out winners in 5 years, believe me, MS would have done it by now, and so would have Google and Amazon, Facebook and Apple. Even at 1B per pop, you could theoretically create 70 banger titles, which is unlikely to be true, because that shows a misunderstanding of the economics of developing and funding of video games.

The reality is, there is as much inherent luck in our own lives for our own success as there is luck for a business to succeed. This is a truth that many don't want to believe. In a competitive market, where everyone offers the same thing, saying the right thing, at the right time, at the right place to the right person could end up with you getting the deal and your competitors not getting the deal. Building a game that some rapper feels like endorsing is enough to cause a spiral to everyone to make your game viral, is not something you can make happen. And they are trying.

We don't know that cloud will win and considering that MS currently doesn't have a direct cloud only service, we don't even know if MS will be the winner here. Game Pass Ultimate users are bundled into cloud regardless if they want to or not, that's very different from a user wanting to pay for cloud for the purposes of cloud playing, versus being given it for free to play around with when you're not at home. The latter will generate usage as we see today, the former, likely would have ended up like Stadia.

By anchoring MS to cloud superiority, in a market that I don't really know yet if it will ever take off anytime soon, MS is basically unable from this point forward to have any type of M&A capabilities as long as they continue to have a cloud service. Essentially, CMA is basically saying, get out of cloud (regression instead of innovation) or you are already the cloud leader (of a market that is barely 1% of the total game market) therefore you can't have anymore.
 
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Regardless of whether the MS-Activision deal is blocked why not go ahead with the 10 year deals if the true motive is to enhance the market for gamers and availability of games?
Shouldn't MS have been making such deals in the past prior to the Activision/Blizzard merger news?
Activision doesn't want to sign those deals, MS has no power to offer ABK titles if they aren't merged.
 
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