Microsoft acquired Activision Blizzard King for $69 Billion on 2023-10-13

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BoardBonobo said:
Well I guess a positive outcome from this will be that Microsoft finally discover what makes a gaming production pipeline successful and, if the deal goes ahead, some of Activision Blizzards IP may actually stand a chance of surviving the corporate grind.
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What buying up a bunch of studios and shuttering the ones that don't produce good games while buying up new ones to replace them all the while paying for 3rd party timed exclusives ? I think they know that and that is what brings us to this point
 
It's interesting that Microsoft are asking Sony to disclose, inter alia, details on Sony's production capabilities and it's difficult to see what the relevance is to Microsoft trying to acquire a software capability. It's known that Sony make and sell PS5 at a profit and Microsoft make and sell Xbox hardware at a loss, so is this some bizarro logic that Microsoft are trying to make a case that to compete with Sony, Microsoft need more studios to compensate losses? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Microsoft is drifting back into the mindset that the concerns are all about Sony. I cannot see them appeasing regulations swiftly, if they don't realise that other concerns have been cited in which Sony are not a party too.
 
DSoup said:
It's interesting that Microsoft are asking Sony to disclose, inter alia, details on Sony's production capabilities and it's difficult to see what the relevance is to Microsoft trying to acquire a software capability. It's known that Sony make and sell PS5 at a profit and Microsoft make and sell Xbox hardware at a loss, so is this some bizarro logic that Microsoft are trying to make a case that to compete with Sony, Microsoft need more studios to compensate losses? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Microsoft is drifting back into the mindset that the concerns are all about Sony. I cannot see them appeasing regulations swiftly, if they don't realise that other concerns have been cited in which Sony are not a party too.
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Why would production capabilities just be hardware ? you produce software also so that would be part of production capabilities Software capability to me would be more about what the software itself is capable of ?

A lot of the concerns on their ability to foreclose on the market would be based on Sony and Nintendo wouldn't it ? they are the only other competition in the console market. MS being able to show exactly what Sony has in the pipeline for exclusive content both internally and through third party would certain help to =eliminated or elevate concerns of their ability to do so. Sony also has its own cloud platform competiting with ms. So again if Sony has a far larger amount of exclusive content how would MS owning act Ivison allow them to foreclose on that market
 
Nope. Pretty much every place has incorrect understanding of what's being asked for.


Microsoft has subpoenaed Sony as part of the FTC lawsuit. It's pretty standard stuff, but I've seen some wildly inaccurate headlines. "Production and a discovery schedule" is legal discovery and document production, not Sony's PlayStation game production

https://twitter.com/x/status/1617825571861573633
 
BRiT said:
Nope. Pretty much every place has incorrect understanding of what's being asked for.


Microsoft has subpoenaed Sony as part of the FTC lawsuit. It's pretty standard stuff, but I've seen some wildly inaccurate headlines. "Production and a discovery schedule" is legal discovery and document production, not Sony's PlayStation game production

https://twitter.com/x/status/1617825571861573633
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That is why I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on tv. I just break stuff and get paid to fix it
 
BRiT said:
Microsoft has subpoenaed Sony as part of the FTC lawsuit. It's pretty standard stuff, but I've seen some wildly inaccurate headlines. "Production and a discovery schedule" is legal discovery and document production, not Sony's PlayStation game production
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I googled '"Production and a discovery schedule" subpoena' and Google returns only that phrase in relation to Microsoft's recent subpoena against Sony, so I'm not sure it is 'standard stuff'. If it were, the phrase would have returned a lot more hits because there would be thousands of hits from previously disclosed court documents.

That doesn't mean the presumption that the request is related to Sony's production is correct or incorrect. That may be originated from somebody familiar with the request and the term simply mis-interpreted by other sites. It'll be clearer in a few weeks. Companies going to the court is about the only time you find out the inner workings of the games industry.

POPCORN!!! :runaway:
 
Discovery is a generic term, both sides in civil cases subpoena documents and they also depose witnesses, which can be all-day or multi-day affairs.

Producing documents is complying with subpoenas. If one side suspects the other side is holding out, they can go to the judge and petition the court to force production of documents.

It's one way for law firms to crank up a lot of billable hours and why the US litigation system is so costly.
 
Did someone actually get any clue what does MS actually want from Sony?
The news are so generic that it could be anything
 
Nesh said:
Did someone actually get any clue what does MS actually want from Sony?
The news are so generic that it could be anything
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Reminds me a bit of the Apple Epic trial where MS and others were brought in to answer questions to provide legitimacy to the claim. I think in this case since Sony is the one making the claim, MS wants Sony to open up and be questioned on it.

Then again I’m not really sure.
 
iroboto said:
Reminds me a bit of the Apple Epic trial where MS and others were brought in to answer questions to provide legitimacy to the claim. I think in this case since Sony is the one making the claim, MS wants Sony to open up and be questioned on it. Then again I’m not really sure.
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The key difference is that Epic were unhappy that Apple were taking a 30% cut, so everybody else taking a 30% App Store cut were dragged in because the judge decided it was necessary to establish standard industry practices.

Acknowledging that we don't know what Microsoft have asked Sony to disclose, I cannot see what Microsoft expect Sony to disclose that it relevant to Microsoft acquiring Activision-Blizzard, unless it's simply about dismissing Sony's absurd concerns on the ridiculous entitlement on profits from Call of Duty. But the FTC investigation does not seem overly predicated on what Sony think so I cannot see how it will help Microsoft.
 
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DSoup said:
The key difference is that Epic were unhappy that Apple were taking a 30% cut, so everybody else taking a 30% App Store cut were dragged because the judge decided it was necessary to establish standard industry practices.

Acknowledging that we don't know what Microsoft have asked Sony to disclose, I cannot see what Microsoft expect Sony to disclose that it relevant to Microsoft acquiring Activision-Blizzard, unless it's simply about dismissing Sony's absurd concerns as the ridiculous entitles statements of right to profit that they clearly are. But the FTC investigation does not seem overly predicated on what Sony think so I cannot see how it will help Microsoft.
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Good insight. This is where I wish Hoeg was around to provide some insight. unfortunately he suffered a stroke so I’m not sure who would be taking up the mantle to discuss what’s happening.
 
DSoup said:
The key difference is that Epic were unhappy that Apple were taking a 30% cut, so everybody else taking a 30% App Store cut were dragged because the judge decided it was necessary to establish standard industry practices.

Acknowledging that we don't know what Microsoft have asked Sony to disclose, I cannot see what Microsoft expect Sony to disclose that it relevant to Microsoft acquiring Activision-Blizzard, unless it's simply about dismissing Sony's absurd concerns as the ridiculous entitles statements of right to profit that they clearly are. But the FTC investigation does not seem overly predicated on what Sony think so I cannot see how it will help Microsoft.
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If you are going to go into court you want to disprove every claim against you. You don't want to go in and just address a few. the more they can easily squash the easier it is to get others squashed. Regardless in the USA at least this will just go to federal court
 
wco81 said:
Discovery is a generic term, both sides in civil cases subpoena documents and they also depose witnesses, which can be all-day or multi-day affairs.

Producing documents is complying with subpoenas. If one side suspects the other side is holding out, they can go to the judge and petition the court to force production of documents.

It's one way for law firms to crank up a lot of billable hours and why the US litigation system is so costly.
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Document production

Document Discovery

So, as is becoming increasingly common in this age of The Internets, there's some information that's specialist which laymen, with no understanding of, are interpreting and broadcasting those interpretations and influencing misunderstanding of everyone.
 
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