Latest UK Console Figures

Teasy said:
For MS's sake they better increase, because if that offer can't shift more XBox's then I really don't know what they'll have to come up with next.

The overwhelming evidence is that this bundle is (understandably) leading to very significant increases in sales. I'm surprised that the only response by some people on this forum is to ridicule the bundle somehow for offering too much value-for-money. Microsoft have obviously learnt that console sales are very much linked to how much value the consumer perceives s/he is getting from the purchase. To remain competitive they have to pitch the price pretty much at the same level as the other two consoles. Sure the Xbox is more expensive to produce than either PS2 or Gamecube and Microsoft lose money on each box sold, but I've yet to see a compelling argument yet as to why, as a consumer, I should care about that.

Anyway, ignoring the Xbox sales figures, you could ask yourself how healthy it is for Nintendo to be out-sold 9:1 by the PS2 in the UK? I'm still amazed by the near 100K units the PS2 sold. Compare that to the 66K units sold in Japan, and Japan is meant to be a significantly larger market. Is this just the effect of Christmas?
 
The 4 game pack was released officially on the 29th, but was not shipped to stores until the 30th. I found this out by talking to my local Toys R Us manager who just happened to have the M$ sales rep in store with him(checking merchandising apparently). So they were definately not available prior to this......you may have seen the 2 game pack, or possibly a store specific pack, but it was definitely NOT the 4 game pack that is now in retail.
Maybe if you'd like to let us know which store and I can give them a shout to find out how they got them in so early???
BTW, it wasn't even announced until the 25th, although obviously rumour had spread prior to then.
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.....I was actually trying to get some sales figures out of the TrU guy, buy he downright refused to state any. What he did say though, was that they couldn't get the packs in fast enough and now have a huge backlog where they have had to sell packs with games(HALO & SC) missing. He was pretty peeved off as apparently they have to phone everyone to tell them when the games are back in stock so that they can come and collect them.
 
For MS's sake they better increase, because if that offer can't shift more XBox's then I really don't know what they'll have to come up with next.

MS as always resorting to cheating... nice it's working for them now... but when they start doing this in the rest of europe and the US in a about a yr and a few months... it WONT work, and hopefully their desperate move shall teach publishers of the evil that is MS and they'll abandon them for next gen... at least i'm sure MS won't get much japanese support next time....

People shouldn't resort to low blows like that... let's offer internet explorer for free... let's offer tons of games for free... let's offer our nasty antiAOL project on the next window for free.... let's offer our soul to the devil for free.... let's use our insane profits due to our monopoly to gain access and unfair advantages(insane cash resources) in new industries....

I hate when the bad guys resort to this stuff in movies, tv series, etc... and i don't like it in the real life either...
 
Anyone know anything about the NINTENDO annoucement that is supposed to make them sell thousands of hundreds GameCube ?
 
Gerry

I'm certainly not rideculing MS for the bundle. I'm just stating how inredible it is to offer what they are offering. I mean they'e offering XBox + JSFR + Sega GT + Halo + Splinter Cell for the same price as a normal XBox with no games. Its like Nintendo offering a pack of GameCube + Resident Evil 1 + Resident Evil 0 + Eternal Dakness + Metroid Prime for £129.. it does look like desperation to me. Like they're trying despeately to gain gound in any possible territory to make up for the horrible sales in Japan and bad sales in the rest of Europe, so they can try to take over GameCube as numbe 2 worldwide.

BTW nobody has mentioned wether this XBox deal is also in other European countries.. if its not then I'd be interested to know why. Why are MS focusing only on the U.K, a territory where they are already neck and neck with GameCube (unlike the rest of Europe). Maybe because the U.K is the only European territory where this offer would push XBox ahead of GameCube?.. which makes for possitive XBox news on confused websites of "XBox now ahead in Europe", which we saw recently. Just an idea.

DVFtaxman

The store I was in when I saw this pack was Game Store in the Metro Center. I was busy playing PES2 for my usual 2-3 hours :) (the owner lets me play whenever I want) and I noticed the pack. They were deffinately 4 game packs with the game boxes pictured on the XBox box, so it was an official bundle from MS.
 
Teasy: The ridiculing comment wasn't directed at you, more at some of the more *cough* exciteable people on here. BTW I wouldn't be surprised to see such a Nintendo bundle sometime soon!

I agree it would be interesting to see how the Xbox is doing in the rest of Europe. A complete guess would be that it's doing a lot better than it was a few months ago, but probably not up to the UK sales revival. Maybe there are some German/French posters on here who have a better idea?
 
toys'r'us deutschland xbox bundles seem interesting

http://www.toysrus.de/multimedia/x_box_start.php3


the gamecube one much less

http://www.toysrus.de/multimedia/gamecube_start.php3


toys'r'us france:

no gamecube
a xbox w/ no game for 249 euros (it's the MSRP price)

i saw here:
http://www.playfrance.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=15089
(french people knowing to share good consumer info go here !)

that virgin sells the xbox + JSRF + sega gt 2002 + amped + doa 3 for 299 euros = four games for 50 euros.
 
The 4 game bundle was launched in the UK, Switzerland and Australia only AFAIK. In Germany there still is mainly the 2 game SEGA bundle, plus these apparently also official offers:
Xbox / Sega GT 2002 / JSRF / Splinter Cell = 299 €
Xbox / Sega GT 2002 / JSRF / Spider-Man = 269 €
Xbox / Sega GT 2002 / JSRF / Mat Hoffman's Pro BMX 2 / Kelly Slater's Pro Surfer = 279 €
note that you can get Splinter Cell for like 55,- € on its own (the bundle only saves you 5,- €), so its not really anything like giving Top-Sellers away "free" in the kind of way the 4 game bundle does...

Shortly after the original Sega bundle was launched here, MS managed to double Xbox market share in Germany according to local gembiz media, leaving Nintendo behind by a solid amount in weekly sales since then (in total sales they are still only 3rd though its impossible to get any solid numbers in this country)...
 
Here is the latest numbers from Japan.
Poor Xbox...

Game Boy Advance: 145,900 (Annual: 2,459,300)
PlayStation 2: 66,300 (Annual: 3,167,900)
GameCube: 35,100 (Annual: 958,500)
Xbox: 3,100 (Annual: 276,786)
PlayStation: 2,100 (Annual: 208,100)
Wonder Swan Crystal: 1,100 (Annual: 103,600)
Game Boy Color: 800 (Annual: 80,400)
Wonder Swan Color: 550 (Annual: 115,500)
Nintendo 64: 54 (Annual: 6,000)
Game Boy: 47 (Annual: 5,100)
Wonder Swan: 43 (Annual: 8,100)
Dreamcast: 38 (Annual: 17,500)
PocketStation: 37 (Annual: 1,300)
 
TEASY:-I have a very good friend that is a manager for GAME over in Canterbury so I'll give him a ring and find out whether/how they got them in so early then! However the M$ rep in TrU was adament that it wasn't available prior to 29th.......the next weekly sales figures should make interesting reading and help explain the situation.
btw, I heard that this isn't actually an official M$ bundle(should hav asked whilst I had the chance-DOH!), but has been made up by the distributer.......how true that is I don't know, but it may explain why it isn't europe wide.
 
OK how did this go from a european sales thread to a ridiculing-the-xbox-for-poor-japanese-sales-because-the-xbox-has-sold-well-in-europe-for-a-week thread Sindre?

Tell you what, i'll email my condolences to all of those who care about japanese sales Sindre. Will that make you feel better?

Off the topic why is it that i feel some many people here bring up the topics of such thread to ridicule systems? Is it just me? This started out sounding good for the xbox. Then out of no where people started saying (and it always seems to be the same crowd of people) that these sales aren't as good as they should be.
 
Oh, excuse me. I didn't mean it that way. :(
I just found these new numbers and wanted to share them in this forum.
So when I saw the "European-Sales" thread, I thought it would be the most suitable place to put them. I didn't have much time, so I didn't read through the whole thread. I didn't know it evolved from "backing up the Xbox" to "trashing the Xbox".

And about the "poor Xbox", I really feel sorry for MS when you look at how the Xbox is selling in Japan. I can't believe why more Japanese are buying them :eek: I know the Xbox is doing much better in Europe now and I'm glad to see them catching up. There's nothing better than competition, right? :)

Sorry, I was not trying to trash or bash the Xbox in any way.
 
Magnum PI said:
perhaps the best is that you tell us who it was directed at...

I have admit it never crossed my mind that people wouldn't realise exactly who I was talking about. However I'll decline your request a) to remain enigmatic and b) in an effort to prevent this thread from becoming a slanging match. I wholeheartedly apologise to anyone who may have thought I was talking about them.

Back on topic.

Thanks for the info Gollum. And thanks too, err, Sindre. I don't think anyone is disputing Xbox has sold poorly in Japan. Personally (and to others this will definately not be the case) Japan is the least important of the big 3 regions - and that is purely a reflection of my gaming tastes. Why Xbox failed in Japan is another discussion entirely.

Looking in a bit more detail at those Australian sales, I'm sure PS2 still has a large lead in installed userbase. I think the press report, or at least the reporting of the report, is just plain confusing.
 
Sindre said:
Sorry, I was not trying to trash or bash the Xbox in any way.

Fair enough!

Japanese sales of Xbox have been pretty much the same month after month after month. I think it's fair to say that it isn't going to improve much any time soon. The real story on the Japanese sales figures is whether the Gamecube can overtake PS2 during the next year or so. Maybe Zelda will have a big effect.
 
Dunno what people expected when Xbox launched, I personally feel it didn't do bad. It could have done a lot better, but competition was tough and the hype surrounding PS2 was almost mind-boggling. Sure, console freaks in general knew about Xbox and some expected a lot (while many others hated it because of MS), but the general public was mostly unaware of it and Xbox lacked any kind of brand recognition to build upon, whereas Nintendo has been synonymous with quality video-gaming for decades (at least until Playstation came along). Playstation also came almost out of nowhere, but IIRC PS didn't start dominating the sales charts until into its second year either and Sony picked the ideal time to come to market in comparison, with Nintendo still not ready (plus an arguably bad choice of not using CD media) and Sega performing horribly with its Saturn. MS on the other hand came to market at the same time as the veteran Nintendo, as if that wasn't enough there was an already strong ruling champion known as PS2, much different and tougher situation.

Considering this I think Xbox did reasonably well in the western markets, coming out of nowhere and basically performing on par with Nintendo on a western scale right away is an accomplishment IMHO. It'll be most interesting to follow this through and see how year two will go for MS and Nintendo. Right now Xbox certainly seems to catch on a bit, more people now know that the name has something to do with video-gaming, rumors about its supposedly better visuals are also heard outside of hardcore gamer circles, while sales this holiday season seem to be picking up even stronger than those of GC for most western territories (yeah I know, MS is "cheating" and "giving it away for free" blahblah, grow up). Not that I expect the Xbox to ever dominate sales charts, Playstation is a too strong brand and has too many top titles exclusively, but I definitely see room for growth in market share considering current events and the H1 03 games lineup (same goes for GC, I expect both to get closer to PS2 with time). IMHO although market share overall will probably change in some unpredictable ways, all 3 consoles are here to stay and that's a good thing! :)

As for Xbox in Japan, ahaem ... *cough* ... well they'll need a miracle (the kind of DQ, FF or Biohazard exclusive miracle, you know the kind that never happens), their current market share in the land of the rising sun is truly sobering (like below 2% for a while now in weekly sales, it'd be a bit higher if you exclude the handhelds and other consoles but its still extremely low)... :eek:
 
Those Japanese GC numbers are excellent! I thought when I saw that 37,400 number for GC last week in Japan (only 1,000 behind PS2) I thought it was just a one week spike because of Resident Evil 0. But it seems GC is staying firm at around 35,000!

DVFtaxman

I didn't mean GAME, I said Game Store, its a different shop.
 
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