J. Allard Interview Pt. 2

[mckmas8808]

Ms is going with 4 years this console gen and we will see what the final word is from the consumer . They may very well vote that the 4 years is more than enougn time

You're right they may vote that. But with PS2 sales right now faster than any console out with the weakest hardware I don't think it will be easy for MS. Sony has some HUGE games coming out and don't forget about Zelda for the GC. Also on top on that the PSP is becoming bigger and bigger with more great games coming out and the DS is finally using its unqiue features the way everybody expected.

So, the X360 will have some heavy, heavy competition this winter. Me personally I don't think MS will gain any huge advantage that Sony can't catch up to. Can you imagine how many millions a videogames will be sold between the PS2 exclusives, Zelda, PSP, DS, and GBA Mirco. Phew *wipes sweat off head* it won't be easily for MS.
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[deathstar121]

Microsoft is launching this year so they can reset there console launch time, because they entered the console market so late that if they went by the 5-6 years bs, they would be launching last again and playin catch up to sony.

4-5 years is enough time for devs to get all the power out of consoles, xbox was so easy to develop for I would say that team ninja probably got 90%-95% of the system's graphical capabilties with DOAX, ninja gaiden probably pushed the system to the max, but who knows, look at Splinter Cell 3 the game is sweet. PS2 on the other hand is such a pain to develop for, this is why it took them a few years to figure out how to do things faster and easier.

Blu ray has a plus and negative, plus side good for games, negative side sony is gonna force us to upgrade to blu ray as the new standard dvd format.


PS:mckmas8808, If MS hadn't enter the console market sony wouldn't be launching PS3 next year, maybe in 2007-08, since they have the lead they would have sat on top of the market and milked it until they completed cell's intergrated design, but MS force there hand because they couldn't wait on toshiba to finsih the GPU so they went to nvidia, I will say this, with the time that nvidia and sony has left it will be a miracle if they deliver the graphics in the tech demo's.

 

[mckmas8808]

4-5 years is enough time for devs to get all the power out of consoles, xbox was so easy to develop for I would say that team ninja probably got 90%-95% of the system's graphical capabilties with DOAX, ninja gaiden probably pushed the system to the max, but who knows, look at Splinter Cell 3 the game is sweet.

There have been plenty of devs that said that the Xbox still has a lot of life still left in it. It has not reached its potential yet. Thats not even close to the truth. Ninja Gaiden could be pasted easily.

If MS hadn't enter the console market sony wouldn't be launching PS3 next year, maybe in 2007-08, since they have the lead they would have sat on top of the market and milked it until they completed cell's intergrated design

2007 maybe, but no way would they have waited until 2008. Nintendo would have launched over a year before then.

I will say this, with the time that nvidia and sony has left it will be a miracle if they deliver the graphics in the tech demo's.

Again I think you need to read what Mr. Wibble wrote about this subject. Saying that it would be a miracle is basically saying that its 99.9% impossible. Its WAY too early to say if something is close to impossible.
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[blakjedi]

It takes four years to wring the best quality out of a console. Too bad PC graphics cards makers cant live off that kind of cycle. 5 years is a perfect life cycle.

 

[jvd]

You're right they may vote that. But with PS2 sales right now faster than any console out with the weakest hardware I don't think it will be easy for MS. Sony has some HUGE games coming out and don't forget about Zelda for the GC. Also on top on that the PSP is becoming bigger and bigger with more great games coming out and the DS is finally using its unqiue features the way everybody expected.

First forget about the handheld market . Thats completely diffrent .

Then also figure that there will allways be an overlap of the console generations. OF course at launch the old systems will have a ton of good games still coming out on them but that will slowly change and developers will jump to the newer console . That is how it wallways works .

However in 2006 the amount of titles for the ps2 will hit a wall and quickly drop to nothing .


None of what you say should change the fact that 4-5 years can and will most likely happen and since its ms starting this generation out it may be that the ps3 will have problems selling as well as the weaker system (the x360 ) When the ps3 launches the x360 could have 10million + world wide unit sales or more and developers will continue to support the console as it continues to sell and consumers will buy it because the graphics will be virtualy the same as the ps3 graphics and there will be alot more games avalible .

So, the X360 will have some heavy, heavy competition this winter. Me personally I don't think MS will gain any huge advantage that Sony can't catch up to. Can you imagine how many millions a videogames will be sold between the PS2 exclusives, Zelda, PSP, DS, and GBA Mirco. Phew *wipes sweat off head* it won't be easily for MS.

The x360 has no competition that is the thing you don't see . People who are ready to buy a next generation console only have one choice the x360 this holiday . So they will buy it unless they are fans of only one console (nintendo or sony ) . Those looking for a buget system will buy the ps2 , xbox (if they can find it ) or gamecube . Those with this generation systems that aren't looking for a new one will buy games for thier current .

The only problem the x360 has is its price and lack of units to sell which will be the only things to affect it this holiday season . Its the ps3 and the ns5 that will have the problems as they both will have a system of 6+ months with graphics rivaling thiers already on the market with lots of games to go up against

 

[scooby_dooby]

ya once the MS marketing machine gets wound up the 360 is going to sell like hot cakes. They say the pre-orders are looking excellent and that's without any real marketing campaign.

By the time PS3 launches, Q4 2006 IMO, the 360 will already have a huge intsalled base and probably a good 100 games. Oh...and the 360 will be oin it's first price drop.

I think if anyone is going to have a tought time it will be the PS3. Especially if their graphics AREN'T superior. With a the 360's better exclusive line-up(bioware, bungie, mistwalker, rare, team ninja, epic's GOW), a lower price, and more games, the PS3 better be superior graphically or MS will take a HUGE chunk of Sony's market share.

 

[mckmas8808]

Its the ps3 and the ns5 that will have the problems as they both will have a system of 6+ months with graphics rivaling thiers already on the market with lots of games to go up against

Trust me if its anything the PS3 will not have problems with selling their console. They have proven this for 10 years now. What makes you think that MS can just come in a totally mess that up.

The x360 has no competition that is the thing you don't see

And you don't see that current gen games will keep some people from buying a next gen console. I don't see 90 million PS2 buyers rushing to save 4 to 6 months for a X360.

When the ps3 launches the x360 could have 10million + world wide unit sales or more

I seriously doubt that the X360 will sell 10 million consoles in 6 months. I don't think you were serious about that comment so we'll let that slide. Did think that half of the Xbox sales as of today. C'mon jvd.
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[scooby_dooby]

Trust me if its anything the PS3 will not have problems with selling their console. They have proven this for 10 years now. What makes you think that MS can just come in a totally mess that up.

By your logic nintendo would still be king. The fact PS1 and PS2 ruled the market DOES NOT mean PS3 will automatically do the same.

First of all PS1 and 2 never had a serious competitor, Nintendo didn't have the games, period. When the XBOX came out it started with 0 market share, and 0 games. It was hardly a fair match, as the PS2 had every advantage imaginable. But look what how much of Sony's market it has carved away, a good 30%.

Going into round 3 now MS has the advantage, they have better exclusive games, more exclusive games, a well established online community and they will be launching first.

We'll see how Sony fares now that they finally have a real competitor.

p.s. don't forget Nintendo's biggest mistake was they let waited TOO long to launch their console....n64...they say history repeats itself

 

[jvd]

Trust me if its anything the PS3 will not have problems with selling their console. They have proven this for 10 years now. What makes you think that MS can just come in a totally mess that up.

looking at past history. The last giant was taken down by sega. I don't see why you think sony wont be taken down at some point . TO believe other wise is a true mark of a fan boy . Not only that but ms is not just coming in , they have been in for 4 years and are the more stable company financialy . If ms can move the console cycle to 4 -5 years the ps3 may just become break even for sony by the time the market is shifting to the new ms console . Not to mention that ms will eat into sonys share this generation (how much remains to be seen)

And you don't see that current gen games will keep some people from buying a next gen console. I don't see 90 million PS2 buyers rushing to save 4 to 6 months for a X360.

No and you wont because 90 million ps2 owners didn't rush out and buy the ps2 system at launch , the majority of them hoped on board 3 years ago till current day . But those who bought the ps2 when it first came out will be looking for a new system and those who actually buy 300$ systems will be looking for a new one and thier choice is the xbox 360 and ....... so the x360 has no competition

I seriously doubt that the X360 will sell 10 million consoles in 6 months. I don't think you were serious about that comment so we'll let that slide. Did think that half of the Xbox sales as of today. C'mon jvd.

Sure it can . Ms will be launching in the 3 major teritorys a few weeks from each other. So its not like the ps2 where it was released in japan then 6 months later it was released in the usa and 6 months later it wll hit europe .

Ms will have 6+ months in the 3 major teritorys as the only next gen system and the holidays to sell. I can see it doing 10 million systems by the time the ps3 launches , it really depends on how many units they can ship. If they hit shortages then of course not but if they don't , I don't see why not

 

[JasonLD]

looking at past history. The last giant was taken down by sega. I don't see why you think sony wont be taken down at some point . TO believe other wise is a true mark of a fan boy . Not only that but ms is not just coming in , they have been in for 4 years and are the more stable company financialy . If ms can move the console cycle to 4 -5 years the ps3 may just become break even for sony by the time the market is shifting to the new ms console . Not to mention that ms will eat into sonys share this generation (how much remains to be seen)

Nintendo has made some hiccups with Snes and N64(with major way), Genesis had almost 2 years of head time and N64 had major mistake with going with catridge..so Sega's and Sony's success was almost inevitable. Everytime there was new leader in the market, it required some kind of mistake by reigning leader of the market.(BTW, Snes eventually became the market leader, although it took a long ass time.)
Sony still has the upper hand in this market, they are the leader and unless they make a major mistake with PS3, I don't see Xbox360 taking major lead over PS3 before it launches..
Also 10+ million in 6 month is nonsense..it took almost a year for PS2 to sell 10 million and XBox360 is not as hot product as PS2 back in 2000.

 

[mckmas8808]

By your logic nintendo would still be king. The fact PS1 and PS2 ruled the market DOES NOT mean PS3 will automatically do the same.

Well of course it doesn't, but it does stand for something. You can't just debunk what they did this gen.

First of all PS1 and 2 never had a serious competitor, Nintendo didn't have the games, period. When the XBOX came out it started with 0 market share, and 0 games. It was hardly a fair match, as the PS2 had every advantage imaginable. But look what how much of Sony's market it has carved away, a good 30%

scooby_dooby you have to think about this stuff on a honest level. Saying that the PS1 and PS2 didn't have a serious competitor is totally wrong. The N64, Dreamcast, GC, and Xbox (I didn't include Saturn for a reason) were all great consoles. To say Sony went up against nothing is showing your lack of thought in the conversion. So I guess all Marios, Metriod Primes, Halos, etc. didn't mean anything.

So answer this for me scooby. Why is it that when the Xbox launch in the US, the PS2 only had a 6 million unit headstart. But now they over a 20 million unit lead. Can you answer that. With all of the advantages that the Xbox had not only could they not substain the 6 million unit gap, but the gap actually more than tripled. And thats in the Xbox's main territory.

And how did the PS2 have every advantage imaginable. The Xbox had the best graphics, best online play, built-in HDD, and was the easiest to program for. Nintendo has and probably will always have the best platform characters in their corner. And their innovative thinking shouldn't be taking for granted.

Going into round 3 now MS has the advantage, they have better exclusive games, more exclusive games, a well established online community and they will be launching first.

How does MS have the advantage. The only clear advantages that they have is Xbox Live. Coming out first is not a true advantage. And better and more exclusive games. Yeah right. So why does Sony have such a big lead then? I will be honest they obviously have a WAY better online community though.

Not to mention that ms will eat into sonys share this generation (how much remains to be seen)

Well with 90 million to 20 million I would hope that MS eats into some market share. How much your right we don't know.
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[jvd]

Also 10+ million in 6 month is nonsense..it took almost a year for PS2 to sell 10 million and XBox360 is not as hot product as PS2 back in 2000.

it took a year for the ps2 to hit all 3 major markets thats the diffrence.
Not to mention that the market will grow even more and with it the hardcore gamers and early adopters grow

 

[Qroach]

Is mckmas8808 just going to try to counter every single argument in here? Perhaps he should just agree to disagree, as everyone already knows what his favourite console is.

 

[jvd]

Is mckmas8808 just going to try to counter every single argument in here? Perhaps he should just agree to disagree, as everyone already knows what his favourite console is.

yea he seems to just do that over and over again and doesn't actually read the posts that others are posting .

 

[JasonLD]

it took a year for the ps2 to hit all 3 major markets thats the diffrence.
Not to mention that the market will grow even more and with it the hardcore gamers and early adopters grow

Sure Market will grow, but my point was Xbox360 is not as hot product as PS2 back then. Also, I don't believe they can even supply 10 million within 6 months. I really don't think worldwide launch is good idea..the reason companies avoided worldwide launch is mainly supply problem.

 

[jvd]

it took a year for the ps2 to hit all 3 major markets thats the diffrence.
Not to mention that the market will grow even more and with it the hardcore gamers and early adopters grow

Sure Market will grow, but my point was Xbox360 is not as hot product as PS2 back then. Also, I don't believe they can even supply 10 million within 6 months. I really don't think worldwide launch is good idea..the reason companies avoided worldwide launch is mainly supply problem.

Eh the ps2 had the dc (even though it wasn't much) to go against it . As for supplying the units in 6 months I don't know but they certianly stand a good chance but that is why i said if they can produce enough units and if ms can't provide enough x360s then i highly doubt sony will supply enough ps3s .

 

[Qroach]

If MS is going into production now, then they probably have enough time to make 10 million units. Obviously they are trying to avoid the situation sony had with the PS2 Launch.

 

[JasonLD]

Eh the ps2 had the dc (even though it wasn't much) to go against it . As for supplying the units in 6 months I don't know but they certianly stand a good chance but that is why i said if they can produce enough units and if ms can't provide enough x360s then i highly doubt sony will supply enough ps3s .

Well, almost every console had a supply problem when launching so I will actually be surprised if either Xbox360 or PS3 doesn't have supply problem. All the money in the world can't do anything with supply problem so I don't think Microsoft will avoid supply problem this time either, with Xbox360 featuring high-end silicons.

 

[jvd]

Eh the ps2 had the dc (even though it wasn't much) to go against it . As for supplying the units in 6 months I don't know but they certianly stand a good chance but that is why i said if they can produce enough units and if ms can't provide enough x360s then i highly doubt sony will supply enough ps3s .

Well, almost every console had a supply problem when launching so I will actually be surprised if either Xbox360 or PS3 doesn't have supply problem. All the money in the world can't do anything with supply problem so I don't think Microsoft will avoid supply problem this time either, with Xbox360 featuring high-end silicons.

it depends as qroach said if they start producing them now they should have enough for 10 million units and 10 million units in 3 major teritorys isn't a huge feat . If you take the ps2 launch and factor the time the system wasn't released in other areas i'm sure u will come close to 10 million units in 6 months . I.e take 6 months sales from japan launch of ps2 then take 6 months of sales from american launch then 6 months of sales from the european sales and put them together and i'm sure u will hit close to that 10 million number. IT sounds big but itsn ot . Nintendo had huge supply problems and is at 5.2 million for the ds dispite having a crappy line up and the psp hot on its heels

 

[JasonLD]

it depends as qroach said if they start producing them now they should have enough for 10 million units and 10 million units in 3 major teritorys isn't a huge feat . If you take the ps2 launch and factor the time the system wasn't released in other areas i'm sure u will come close to 10 million units in 6 months . I.e take 6 months sales from japan launch of ps2 then take 6 months of sales from american launch then 6 months of sales from the european sales and put them together and i'm sure u will hit close to that 10 million number. IT sounds big but itsn ot . Nintendo had huge supply problems and is at 5.2 million for the ds dispite having a crappy line up and the psp hot on its heels

But i am sure having 3+ million units each for all territories within 6 months after launch is really difficult. It really cannot be compared to PS2 situation because 1+ year timeframe between Japanese launch and European launch.
If they start producing them now, it might be possible, but I don't think they can..lol.