djskribbles
Legend
Saboteur AA looked much better to me. This looks noticeably blurrier too. But that's just my eyes.
Image Quality and Framebuffer Speculations for WIP/alpha/beta/E3 games *Read the first post*
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Insufficient filtering. Could be the use of negative LOD bias.
Axtmoerder
Newcomer
I wouldn't be surprise especially with the amount of time they took to port it.
Are they talking about the in-game visuals, or the HD FMV?
grandmaster
Veteran
Just one comment with no kind of qualification whatsoever... we've no idea what he was saying. But bearing in mind how much of FFXIII is streamed video, this is the most likely culprit.
How many minutes of CG have you seen so far? There seems to be at least 31gig worth of video on the disk. There is a chance that you haven't gotten that far yet. I know that I end up spending a hundred hours on average playing JRPGs while other people sometimes finish in 30 hours.
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This one:
http://www.cynamite.de/_misc/galler...nal=/imgserver/bdb/131500/131586/original.jpg
Shows clearly how you should NOT put much hope & faith in "detect edges and blur" methods of pseudo-AA. Take a look at the antenna of the skyscraper, the many hanging wires, and especially the wire in the lower left corner. When information is lost due to undersampling, no amount of image processing in the world can recover it.
So it's a good thing you'll instead be seeing those steroidal heavy weights most of the game, right?
Sorry, I thought this was a thread about image quality, not about artistic direction and human body proportion standards...
corduroygt
Banned
You could detect sub-pixel objects and use selective AA on them during rendering, then use the post process saboteur AA method. IIRC, the saboteur method with its carefully chosen thresholds doesn't degrade the IQ, it just becomes the same as noAA on subpixel objects.
Just a joke ( the majority of the shots are fine ) But yeah, they certainly don't want to be using it in a game with lots of thin objects like that, something like Mirror's Edge.
MSAA would help, but I suppose you'd need a lot of samples, at least going by some image quality comparisons of the different modes on the PC side.
Yes, this is common for any high frequency rendering where there is not enough sampling. You'll see it a lot with say metal gratings, especially if there's a specular component. Doom 3 is notorious for it. Mip mapping should have mitigated this, but it seems likely they used a negative LOD.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=12648&page=2
http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/rbf/CVDICT/cva.htm (scroll down to the checkerboard)
https://cs.senecac.on.ca/~gam670/pages/content/mipmp.html
Why is it only present on the 360 shot? The texture is still vertical for the PS3 while it goes circular (right side roof) or horizontal (left side roof) on the 360. Just different filter choices?
I'm looking at this pic still:
http://www.cynamite.de/_misc/galler...nal=/imgserver/bdb/131500/131586/original.jpg
Yeah. There are plenty of different choices they've made between the two platforms, afterall.
Check my edits above if you'd like to read up more on why it happens.Yeah. There are plenty of different choices they've made between the two platforms, afterall.
Thanks. So what choice did they make for the PS3 version and at what expense?
The reason is higher quality AF on the ps3 in the above shot, the ps3 looks to be higher resolution as well, though if AlStrong saiz its also 720p Ill take his word for it (ps3 doesnt appear to have any AA)
http://i46.tinypic.com/wbxu8h.jpg
Mass Effect 2 is indeed 720p. Will need to see more shots to determine if it's got the wonky MSAA again.
Mass Effect 2 is indeed 720p. Will need to see more shots to determine if it's got the wonky MSAA again.
