Image Quality and Framebuffer Speculations for WIP/alpha/beta/E3 games *Read the first post*

[Inuhanyou]

I know its probably impossible to tell from these shitty low quality pics SE insists on posting, but can i get an official look? Maybe evidence of downsampling? THis is the FFX remaster btw


http://i.imgur.com/bcu2bqZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vygpOjZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rEiLbxS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yg2Nn98.jpg

 

[Globalisateur]

Another PNG that look upscaled here horizontally:

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Wait, the previous batch of images are JPG (not PNG) downscaled to 1280x720 images, that's a challenge but downscaling an image is not enough to make it impossible to roughly pixel count it :

This one is ~1080p maybe native vertically (at least minimum 1000):

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But this one strongly suggests (because specular aliasing) a non-native horizontal resolution (maybe ~1400 instead of 1920):

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The PNGs (at least some of them, featuring gameplay) look to be upscaled vertically and horizontally, maybe ~1400x800-ish
The JPGs (also some of them) seem to be running at ~1400x1080p, maybe native vertically and upscaled horizontally.

 

[Blizzje]

True but all of the content from the ps4 demo so far has been 1080p. Maybe they mean the xbox version or the fact that they didnt get to 30fps locked.

 

[ultragpu]

PS4's version will be discerned soon enough this month but would be weird to see Bone's version 800-900p while the Quad doesn't reach 1080p for the demo even.

 

[AlNom]

Maybe they need more time.

 

[Blizzje]

Episode Duscae is out, so the screenshots should start coming in. Be sure to post direct feed ones here!

 

[ultragpu]

From the PS4 version credited to Gaffers. Smells like strong 900p blended with zero AF, not good.

http://i.cubeupload.com/myZ57Z.jpg
http://i.cubeupload.com/MkMm9s.jpg
http://i.cubeupload.com/63ia1o.jpg

 

[Globalisateur]

Yep. ~900p (upscaled horizontally and vertically here) + cinematic fullscreen blur.

 

[Blizzje]

Very disappointing. Any screenshots from the Xbox One version yet?

 

[Arwin]

Also, 0 AF in those screenshots above? (I think I'm starting to learn what that is )

 

[AlNom]

Yep. Pretty basic filtering (and just crap textures).

edit: nvm

 

[Nesh]

eh no AF? Again??

 

[Globalisateur]

This one, presumably from the XB1 version (because batch of PNG instead of JPG):

I (still) find ~800p (maximum) and no AF, it really looks like some basic trilinear filtering...remember that those are PNGs so we can't complain about shitty compression to explain the blur on the ground textures.

So maybe PS4 ~900p, XB1 ~800p and no AF on both versions.

Another PNG showing lack of AF:

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[AlNom]

I (still) find ~800p (maximum) and no AF, it really looks like some basic trilinear filtering...remember that those are PNGs so we can't complain about shitty compression to explain the blur on the ground textures.

So maybe PS4 ~900p, XB1 ~800p and no AF on both versions.

Seems pretty reasonable. I wonder if they went with 792p (11/15) & 900p like certain other titles (Watch Dogs).

 

[iroboto]

Seems pretty reasonable. I wonder if they went with 792p (11/15) & 900p like certain other titles (Watch Dogs).

Sounds about right as well to me. I would love to know what the engine is eating up to cause the game to perform better by lowering the resolution.

 

[AlNom]

Sounds about right as well to me. I would love to know what the engine is eating up to cause the game to perform better by lowering the resolution.

I thought they were using a fat G-buffer. I forget.

DF may be doing a performance eval soon. *ahem*

 

[iroboto]

I thought they were using a fat G-buffer. I forget.

DF may be doing a performance eval soon. *ahem*

heh, maybe for Xbox a Fat G-buffer would smoke esram. But PS4 shouldn't be affected by something like that right? I think with Fox Engine the fact that we see 1080p/720p the fat g-buffer is a reasonable guess. But when I see PS4 dip in resolution I feel like the reason is elsewhere. They seem to be both affected, equally, so it's something they both share in common, i'm wondering if clock speed/not enough shaders is playing a factor here.

 

[AlNom]

But when I see PS4 dip in resolution I feel like the reason is elsewhere. They seem to be both affected, equally, so it's something they both share in common, i'm wondering if clock speed/not enough shaders is playing a factor here.

Gotta be the hair.



It's certainly not those terrain textures!

I mean, what exactly was holding back Watch Dogs as well

 

[Globalisateur]

Here is a ~900p JPG (900p being the maximum, slightly sub-900p possible here strangely, anyway presumably from PS4 version) in a very similar spot (middle of the road) than the ~800p PNG.

The texture filtering in both versions is virtually identical:

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~900p JPG

~800p PNG

 

[iroboto]

Gotta be the hair.



It's certainly not those terrain textures!

I mean, what exactly was holding back Watch Dogs as well

I wish we knew. I'm guessing just lack of FLOPs/unused FLOPs for the type of code they were running.
I think things are going to get worse in terms of guessing what the issue will be as console developers continue to improve and bypass bottlenecks.

Older generation games it's easier to point your finger at the problem, everything was fairly standardized, we had an idea of the performance based upon numbers, but games in 2017 with DX12/mantle/Vulkan and beyond, they're going to really start to leverage more and more of that peak shader throughput, and the perspective of what 1.84 and 1.3TFLOPS will change.