Idei san : Technological visionaries are screwing Sony...

[chaphack]

Console technology discussions on the Net suffer from the same common problem, lack of engineers who actually work on the hardware participating. Most of the good discussions go on in private boards for developers only.

So public console boards end up with a disproportionate number of people who have never touched the hardware under discussion. And their terminology and mindset are framed in terms of what they've read from places like NVidia's site.

Thats right everyone. Remember what DeanoC once said? Hell, even Archiez and other developers in this board, have yet to make any bold outgoing comments on the Cell tech.

 

[notAFanB]

So public console boards end up with a disproportionate number of people who have never touched the hardware under discussion. And their terminology and mindset are framed in terms of what they've read from places like NVidia's site.

true, for non-devs homebrew boards are a nice alternative, (particularly when you need help and all official channels are ...closed).

 

[kaching]

Maybe....you dont need to? Just read the info and get on with it, if the topic doesnt suit you.

Of course I don't need to, chap! Nobody has to be doing any of this. Deadmeat doesn't have to be prophesizing doom, I don't have to challenge his assertions and you don't have to defend his honor. Let's dispense with the obvious since it's clear by the fact that your language has remained much more coherent and largely undecorated with colorful, made up terms and phrases than in other conversations that you are capable of much more intelligent thought than people give you credit for.

Why do you continue to suggest the topic doesn't suit me? Because I'm not nodding my head in agreement with Deadmeat, because I dare to ask him to qualify his opinions further and account for details outside of the immediate here and now of this article? Can't I "ask yeay questions raise some doubts, add a few impressions/POV," like you?

If there's anybody who this topic doesn't seem to suit, it's DM, since we're on to pg. 4 here and my question to him is at the start of pg. 2 on my browser.

More like collectively held by a few persons(yes, based on what you said subsequently, "ALL of those things"). You have not read enough.
Granted, Im not saying all pro Sony fans are as optimistic but there are a few who are.

The problem for you chap is that you've been in the trenches too long here at B3D and your perspective is too narrow. All you know is the enemy, whether or not you actually see them for what they really are. You'd really benefit from taking a week or two to just *read* what people are saying rather than reflexively respond out of an instinctive call to duty. Trust me.

The logic is simple. Would you step into a land that says "No tresspassing, Private Property" as you would in a free open space?
Not that complete of an analogy but the point is, even if it is "virtual" space, but by slapping an official name to it, the place has taken a new perspective.

That analogy will work fine. Because your point about private property can be extended this way - many times we see people in public spaces doing things that they do not wish others outside of their group to participate in or disturb in some way, establishing a private zone, or putting up the equivalent of a do not disturb sign. A park is a public space, but if a group has picked an unused corner of the park for a game of football, it would be discourteous of someone to walk their dog in that very spot, at minimum grinding the game to a halt, at worst letting the dog deposit something as a lingering obstacle...

Multiplatform game forums are no different. There are people who regularly participate in the topic about a specific console only, and you never see them in topics about other consoles. And there are many times when the participants clearly in certain topics don't want to hear from certain perspectives. Try being critical of the visuals in an Xbox glamor shot pic thread at GA and woe to you my friend.

Ironically you speak of Sony/PS2 sites as if they'd be naturally infected by a zealous desire to praise the glory of Sony 24/7 but you'd obviously be speaking from limited knowledge of other fan sites, like TXB. The Sony/PS2 sites I've visited generally have a much more objective crew present, quite capable and willing to acknowledge faults and other ways that Sony can improve what they're doing.

I would like to touch on your "leaving alone topics" thing. It sounds like im what, destroying Sony topics...

I'm only operating based on your own choice of words, referencing when you said, "I would readily leave this place ".

Like i said, its all open for the good members to judge.

Sure, and at this point they should be asking the relevance of your point about Almasy. Is he being abrasive to you? Yes. But what does that have to do with the phenomenon I noted that former lurkers/mostly lurkers are opting to speak where they haven't at all or as regularly as others? Since you're in a court of your peers, it's clever of you, like a good lawyer, to try and deflect attention from the fact that your own argument, that you are merely trying to balance things out, is backfiring. You claim you are trying to balance things out but when people who haven't said anything before start to question your motives, that should tell you right there that your own attempts to balance things need balancing...

You and Deadmeat have spent too much time on the negative when, if you were really purveyors of balance, you yourselves would be balanced 50/50 rather than spending 90-100% of your time focused on the negatives. You're not adding balance, you're just adding the downside. Any balance that's achieved is purely incidental, a sum of an equation that is not controlled by yourselves.

 

[cthellis42]

Kaching, after a string of intelligent and properly-formatted posts like that, I'm sure I'm not alone in telling you to STOP LURKING!

 

[London Geezer]

sometimes this board just gets to new levels of lowness........

i mean check the 4-page long name calling!!!!

YAY the mods

...back to the General Boards...

 

[chaphack]

Wanted to let this topic drifts into the dark abyss, but since Kaching put things so elagantly, i just had to reply. Maybe then, everyone can understand each other better.

Why do you continue to suggest the topic doesn't suit me? Because I'm not nodding my head in agreement with Deadmeat, because I dare to ask him to qualify his opinions further and account for details outside of the immediate here and now of this article? Can't I "ask yeay questions raise some doubts, add a few impressions/POV," like you?

If there's anybody who this topic doesn't seem to suit, it's DM, since we're on to pg. 4 here and my question to him is at the start of pg. 2 on my browser.

I am not saying this topic doesnt suit you specifically. I am speaking on the whole scale of this forums. If some of you dont like DMGA "twisted posts" then dont bother about them, read the news, know more about things, and move on. There is no need to blaze forum members, especially one(ME! ) for trying to play peace. While guys like Kaching, whom have shown much steadiness and maturity, wants to engage in a discussion with DMGA, hey its all fine by me.

The problem for you chap is that you've been in the trenches too long here at B3D and your perspective is too narrow. All you know is the enemy, whether or not you actually see them for what they really are. You'd really benefit from taking a week or two to just *read* what people are saying rather than reflexively respond out of an instinctive call to duty. Trust me.

I think my perspective is fine, just different, like any others. Maybe it is the trenches that are in question?

That analogy will work fine. Because your point about private property can be extended this way - many times we see people in public spaces doing things that they do not wish others outside of their group to participate in or disturb in some way, establishing a private zone, or putting up the equivalent of a do not disturb sign. A park is a public space, but if a group has picked an unused corner of the park for a game of football, it would be discourteous of someone to walk their dog in that very spot, at minimum grinding the game to a halt, at worst letting the dog deposit something as a lingering obstacle...

As in any public areas, if your group in the park, makes too much a din or freehandedly littering or pissing on the greens, i think its fair for the concerned public to voice out and try to sort things with one another. Again, not much of a complete analogy, but its to point out that, in a multiconsole forum such as B3D, when one groupies said something, that doesnt exactly sound right to the other groupies, its perfectly fine to point that out.

And there are many times when the participants clearly in certain topics don't want to hear from certain perspectives.

Then they should put something like "For X blah blah blah only" or something, in their title. Maybe then, the "unwanted" ones will try their best to stay out of their topic, provided they stick to the said discussion fairly and not put down other rivals.

Try being critical of the visuals in an Xbox glamor shot pic thread at GA and woe to you my friend.

Ahhh GA...interesting place. Nice to read about the latest gaming on-goings, with a bunch of intelligent gamers. BUT some of them are usually a lil ahead of themselves, resulting in plenty of un-needed elitisim.

Ironically you speak of Sony/PS2 sites as if they'd be naturally infected by a zealous desire to praise the glory of Sony 24/7 but you'd obviously be speaking from limited knowledge of other fan sites, like TXB. The Sony/PS2 sites I've visited generally have a much more objective crew present, quite capable and willing to acknowledge faults and other ways that Sony can improve what they're doing.

You mistaken me. Im not saying PS2 sites are holy-holy-yaya! Just to point out that instead of making one "stay away! X discussion only" topic, a whole forum catered for that, would allow for "un-disturbed" glowy glow discussions.

And yeay, i know many in GA dislike TXB. Maybe in the past it was a bit chaotic, but today, with stricter moderation from the likes of cool-dude Inane_Dork and a separate section catering specially to "more than" Xbox discussions(aka Other Consoles Section), it is a great place to talk "anything" Xbox.

Sure, and at this point they should be asking the relevance of your point about Almasy. Is he being abrasive to you? Yes. But what does that have to do with the phenomenon I noted that former lurkers/mostly lurkers are opting to speak where they haven't at all or as regularly as others? Since you're in a court of your peers, it's clever of you, like a good lawyer, to try and deflect attention from the fact that your own argument, that you are merely trying to balance things out, is backfiring. You claim you are trying to balance things out but when people who haven't said anything before start to question your motives, that should tell you right there that your own attempts to balance things need balancing...

Lawyer? Too much credits for me, yeay dude!
Neither is it deflection nor backfiring argument(more on that later), just wanted to point out how hypocrital that oh-so-holy contribute-ful Mr Almasy is.

You and Deadmeat have spent too much time on the negative when, if you were really purveyors of balance, you yourselves would be balanced 50/50 rather than spending 90-100% of your time focused on the negatives. You're not adding balance, you're just adding the downside. Any balance that's achieved is purely incidental, a sum of an equation that is not controlled by yourselves.

Not sure about DMGA, but what makes you think im a negative hatArZ? I certainly felt that i have given enough credits due. Well, maybe in the real early days, where i admittedly, am too much an Xbot(! !). BUT hey, just got an Xbox then and was frickin impressed with the 3D after years of waiting for that untapped Emotion Powers.

Nowadays, im pretty fine imho. For instance, as always,

-I think Sony is all about cool, BUT that comes at a price/performance.
-I love my PS2 and its games, BUT its much hyped graphics leaves plenty to desire.
-I say its fair to put PS2 3D, in ways, over DC, BUT to bash Lazy8 for being a crazed Sega/DC fanatic, while at the same time, defending PS2 flaws, to death, certainly aint fair.
-I applaud PS2 abilities to throw tons of simple textured polygons and its excellent cinematic effects, BUT textures and IQ are truly hohohum.
-I love the new direction that MGS3 is going, BUT i hope Kojima would stop being so obessed and self-centered in trying to create a over hyped, over dramatic, over "complicated", over excessive story-cutsences again.
-I acknowledged that PS2 is the No.1 kingpin today, amazing selling prowess of Sony's advert team, BUT thats this gen, anything can happen next gen, console industry has proven to be very volatile, i can give Sony a nice brand start, but i wont say they will start entirely comfortably confident with PS3.
-I think Cell powered PS3 will do, at worst, okay for a gaming console, BUT trying to sell it more than a game console, i have to wait and see, and no, certainly not one at $299 with complete set top + BR functions.
-I love the PSP concept art and gogaga at its gaming potential, BUT the mystery of its price + battery life puzzled me, i question the feasibility of content distribution with the new UMD format and i believe Nintendo is more ready to put up a strong resistance against it(or should i say its Sony to put a very strong offense on GB domination).
-I think Connected Digital Homes are the future, BUT when be the future and whom shall be the leader of the pack? Wont know. The technology and endusers aint sophisticated enough and based on KK + SCEI track records, im keeping my betting money just yet.
-I admire KK acute and aggressive business pushing abilities, BUT i will readily take 2-3 teaspoons of salt with his usual dreamy dreams talkie talk.

blah blah blah

As you can see, i find myself pretty balanced. While, yes, i AM more critical against Sony, but heya, if you are the tallest guy in school, there is bound to be more murmurs and chit-chatty. Sony's need for hype ways, certainly didnt help much with me either.



Now now, thats yeay some lengthy sentence structuring i have ever done to date. Tiring yeay, but i hope its clearer to read for everyone.

 

[London Geezer]

..if only ALL of your posts were as clear as that, chap, this whole forum would be such a better place. I'm serious. Maybe u should try and go for quality over quantity. Try posting less, but put more effort into what you write. You'll see that people will start treating you seriously, because so far all you've done is making yourself look like a silly little kid which you really aren't.

 

[notAFanB]

I think my perspective is fine, just different, like any others. Maybe it is the trenches that are in question?

thank you Chap, I think I can understand your reasoning now.

-I think Cell powered PS3 will do, at worst, okay for a gaming console, BUT trying to sell it more than a game console, i have to wait and see, and no, certainly not one at $299 with complete set top + BR functions.

the question is would you buy a system which is entertainment focus for that price. is it attrattive to you.

after that the followup is to whom does tis product cater for and and what are the alternatives in that area?

-I think Connected Digital Homes are the future, BUT when be the future and whom shall be the leader of the pack? Wont know. The technology and end users aint sophisticated enough and based on KK + SCEI track records, im keeping my betting money just yet.

you think it's the future yet see no positvie traights in Sony's and MS push for integration? again we differ on this point for me, proactive development is instrumental in realising progress. long term milestones while not forming the whole picture should always be at the forefront of any tech corp.

-I admire KK acute and aggressive business pushing abilities, BUT i will readily take 2-3 teaspoons of salt with his usual dreamy dreams talkie talk.

to be honest he's only as good as the people under him.

 

[kaching]

If some of you dont like DMGA "twisted posts" then dont bother about them, read the news, know more about things, and move on. There is no need to blaze forum members, especially one(ME! ) for trying to play peace.

You've already called DM a heckler and have defended his right to post as such on multiple occasions, so then why would you apply a different standard to other forum members? Why can't they heckle as Deadmeat does? If you're just going to "play" at peace, then it doesn't sound to me like you're truly interested in peace at all. It's just a pasttime to alleviate boredom, as you put it.

I think my perspective is fine, just different, like any others. Maybe it is the trenches that are in question?

Right you are, chap. But let's also remember that the trenches had to be created by people, then people decided to use them and still more people decided to keep using them. Let's not try to rid ourselves of personal responsibility by pointing to the fact that the problem is older than us. This is how deep animosity continues to cause strife and tragedy among groups of people after 100s of years, and no one really remembers what the real source of the conflict is anymore.

Again, not much of a complete analogy, but its to point out that, in a multiconsole forum such as B3D, when one groupies said something, that doesnt exactly sound right to the other groupies, its perfectly fine to point that out.

And its also perfectly fine to ignore it, as you yourself keep advising the other side. "If some of you dont like DMGA "twisted posts" then dont bother about them, read the news, know more about things, and move on." After all this talk about balance, chap, it's a conflict of interests for you to be a "do as I say, not as I do" kind of guy.

As in any public areas, if your group in the park, makes too much a din or freehandedly littering or pissing on the greens, i think its fair for the concerned public to voice out and try to sort things with one another.

then...

Then they should put something like "For X blah blah blah only" or something, in their title. Maybe then, the "unwanted" ones will try their best to stay out of their topic, provided they stick to the said discussion fairly and not put down other rivals.

But I thought you said these people were making a "din" earlier. Sounds like it doesn't matter if these people announce their intentions loudly or if they try to be discrete and respectful of other forum activity. The only constant here seems to be people who can't keep their noses out of other people's business.

You mistaken me. Im not saying PS2 sites are holy-holy-yaya! Just to point out that instead of making one "stay away! X discussion only" topic, a whole forum catered for that, would allow for "un-disturbed" glowy glow discussions.

Chap, staying away from a single topic requires no more restraint and judgment on one's part than staying away from a whole forum. The only difference is that, in the case of a dedicated forum, the mods aren't as tolerant of off-topic conversation. So there's simply more policing to handle party-crashers who don't understand the concept of personal responsibility. Do you notice a theme developing here?

just wanted to point out how hypocrital that oh-so-holy contribute-ful Mr Almasy is.

Why point it out in response to an unrelated point? If you quote me about the observation of lurkers coming out of the woodwork and respond with a character analysis of Almasy then you're not responding to my point, you're evading it. Like I said, good lawyerly practice when the case is going against you.

As you can see, i find myself pretty balanced. While, yes, i AM more critical against Sony, but heya, if you are the tallest guy in school, there is bound to be more murmurs and chit-chatty. Sony's need for hype ways, certainly didnt help much with me either.

Yes, chap, that was good attempt at balance, but I couldn't help but notice that the positives you mention seem very generic and brief for the most part while the negatives you mention are notably more heartfelt and lengthy in description. And, by your own admission in the quote above, you are certainly more down on Sony than others. That's perfectly fine, but don't call it balanced, and don't try to claim it brings balance simply by mentioning it. It's only your perspective and a decidedly more negative one at that.

Also, are you saying the tallest guy in school deserves all the murmurs and chit-chatty, just because he's the tallest? Is this yet another avoidance of personal responsibility in the matter on your part? Are you helpless to refrain from the murmurs and chit-chatty?

******

Anyway, I'm disappointed to see that DeadMeat has posted another treatise on the Sony/Cell subject since he posted this one and has yet to respond to my question back at the start of pg. 2. You can't expect to make many converts to the flock DM if you don't tend to the consistency of your prophecies better than this.

 

[archie4oz]

Has the internal power-struggle between Idei and Kutaragi begun???

What power struggle? Idei is much higher ranking that Kutaragi. Besides they're fairly buddy-buddy (not the confrontational relationship like he had with Ohga)... In anycase Idei was (and still is) a big subscriber to the same thing he's complaining about...

Why has Sony fallen behind its rivals on flat-panel TV? Because "certain project" has drained all the R&D budget and top talent resources within Sony group, not leaving enough resources to go to stuffs like flat-panel TV.

Fiction is fun isn't it? Sony's "behind" in LCD and Plasma TV products mainly because it's emphasis has been on CRT (and upcoming OLED products). Or did you not notice the market leaders in flat-panel TVs aren't nearly as strong in the CRT television market? It's simply just easier to partner with Samsung (who I might add is also one of the biggest Memory Stick licensees). And there is no "certain project"... Do you even have half a clue to what Sony's spending on various projects? Do you realize the kind of money that Sony Pictures, and Sony Music are spending (on "NON-GAMING" online resources)?

Ummn. Yes, Sony was slow in entering the cell phone crazy before the joint-venture.

I'm not sure what you mean by this? Are you talking world-wide exposure via Ericsson? Sony's been pretty heavily vested in cell-phone development for years (being one of the original NTT technology partners with DoCoMo). For years they've been cranking out fancy handsets for the various providers of DDI group, J-Phone, and DoCoMo. Right along side Panasonic, NEC, Mitsubishi, and Kyocera. The big difference now is the global exposure they've gotten from the partnership with Ericsson and the general ramping up of higher end handsets in the US (you'll notice that a lot of the traditional Japanese and Korean handset vendors are getting more of their products visible in a market that was dominated by Motorola, Nokia, and Ericsson)....

As chairman of Sony, are you saying that he now regrets:

A) Forming a Home Network company,
B) Forming a Broadband Network company,
C) Appointing Ken Kutaragi as COO of both, and
D) Approving billions in Cell and other advanced semiconductor R&D

???

Considering that all of this has happened fairly recently then IF you are saying he regrets doing all these things and wishes he could take them back then I would ABSOLUTELY agree that Sony is in deep s***, because having a chairman who's as fickle as your memory is selective is definitely a detriment to any company.

How can Idei regret doing A and B since those were both started before he was even chairman?

Its not about killing SCE, its about the many complications in the Sony World. Its not as "perfect" as some of yuo are making it out.

Has anybody stated that the "Sony World" is perfect? It's pretty common knowledge that it's not (otherwise inter-business relations WOULDN'T need to undergo cooperation improvements).

1) You did so many times in the past before. IF you want to talk strictly contribution, tell me which of your posts are as cool-tech-to-read as guys like Faf/Pana/SimonF/Archiez/Cybamerc/Wibbles/Crazyace/Dave/etc?

Since when have my posts been "cool tech?" :?

 

[Vince]

Ummn. Yes, Sony was slow in entering the cell phone crazy before the joint-venture.

I'm not sure what you mean by this? Are you talking world-wide exposure via Ericsson?<snip>

Yes, I wasn't aware of their work before the Ericsson joint-venture. So, I stand corrected - thanks Archie.

 

[kaching]

How can Idei regret doing A and B since those were both started before he was even chairman?

My mistake, I thought those were recent creations under Idei.

Question still stands for DeadMeat though, since instead of dibsanding these broadband network units and demoting Kutaragi, he's doing the opposite.

 

[StefanS]

notAFanB, Tuttle nice posts.

While it's nice to have passionate and involved human beings, in other words fans, sometimes people overdo it, especially on the internet.

 

[bukima]

Re: ...

The flat-panel TV is sold for a profit. The other thing is going to be sold at a loss.

Let us suppose that Sony invests $3 billion into flat-panel TV project. What happens? Sony gets to sell lots of advanced flat-panel TV sets that carry a fat profit margin. But Sony is investing $3 billion elsewhere, and how much do they sell for? $399 and $199 est. How much profit do they carry? Nothing, they are sold at a loss. It doesn't make any sense to invest your money on stuffs sold at a loss than on stuffs that actually served as the bread and butter of company for the past 60 years, but this is actually happening at Sony group right now. Why? Because certain technologically oriented executive find the money-loser project more interesting, and this is the root of Sony's problem.

Sony can survive without PlayStation, but it cannot survive without TV sets and Home theater products. Let the investment be directed to businesses that actually generate profit.

My goodness me. So what you are actually saying here is that Sony are losing money on the PlayStation project? Come on... There is trolling, and there is trolling, but this is just plain ridiculous. Yes, Sony are sinking billions into PS3. No, they do not see a profit from that investment at the moment - most likely because PS3 is still in development

I understand that you want PS3 to fail, and that you think it will, and that it will therefore cost Sony lots of money, and that they should go and make TV's instead.

But you know, PlayStation made huge profits for Sony. Then they sank billions into PS2, and guess what - their investment paid off and PS2 is making huge, huge profits for Sony right now, has done for years, and will continue to do so for many years to come. And the odds on the same thing happening with PS3 are so much in Sony's favour that your post above isn't even funny.

In fact, your post is just idiotic.

 

[DemoCoder]

There is no "fat profit margin" in flat panels once they become commodities. "Razor thin" is the appropriate word I'd chose in the future.

Sony is just trying to leapfrog LCD technology and not get involved in as a LCD player again an LCD panel market which will get more and more commoditized. Today in the home theater market we have DMD front projection vs LCD front project vs LCOS/DIRA front project vs all those same as "rear projection", vs LCD flat panel vs Plasma panel vs (coming soon) OLED.

With respect to LCD, any and everyone can manufacture them now. Sony wants a technology which is superior and on which they have an advantage. Sony's OLED technology BLOWS AWAY conventional LCDs in contrast ratio and brightness, we're talking three times as good image quality.

If it pans out, they will have side-stepped the whole Samsung/SG/Toshiba/IBM LCD war, and like Texas Instruments, have a viable technology for which they are the major vendor, and which has superior technological benefits.

If it doesn't pan out, they'll be a late starter to the LCD market, but they still have CRTs, which won't totally die out for another few years.

I applaud Sony for the guts in trying to do something new, instead of the easy business strategy of being a "fast follower" of Samsung/LG/Toshiba/etc.

DeadMeat's trying to make this out like the PS3 is killing their LCD competitiveness, but what the article he linked to was talking about was Sony's general strategy for proprietary technology development: proprietary memory, displays, discs, etc Instead of simply becoming yet-another-vendor of a common marketplace technology, Sony tries to do something outside the box.

 

[PC-Engine]

By the time OLED displays are big enough and cheap enough, LCD will have already surpassed those goals and then some such as resolution a long time ago.

 

[maskrider]

By the time OLED displays are big enough and cheap enough, LCD will have already surpassed those goals and then some such as resolution a long time ago.

Two of the biggest advantages of OLED is power saving and heat dissipation. As long as LCD still needs the high power EL backlight, the high power requirement and the relatively higher dissipated heat of LCD will not go away. LED backlight just don't cut it at the moment.

I suspect there are still manufacturing problems unsolved on OLED for mass adoption (and may be the peripherial chips), the devices that will first benefit from OLED will be cell phones with colour screens. I expect we may need to wait some more time for big OLED screens.

 

[DemoCoder]

By the time OLED displays are big enough and cheap enough, LCD will have already surpassed those goals and then some such as resolution a long time ago.

What goals? The very nature of how LCD works won't allow it's contrast ratio+brightness to compete with an OLED or Plasma. LCD is longterm, a dead technology for high quality displays.

 

[PC-Engine]

By the time OLED displays are big enough and cheap enough, LCD will have already surpassed those goals and then some such as resolution a long time ago.

What goals? The very nature of how LCD works won't allow it's contrast ratio+brightness to compete with an OLED or Plasma. LCD is longterm, a dead technology for high quality displays.

...and both OLED and Plasma have problems LCDs do not have

Not only that but going by your logic of higher contrast ratios and brightness, plasmas should already be replacing LCDs on the desktop since they've been on the market for many years already and have higher contrast ratios and brightness compared to LCDs. Heh it's kinda ironic that plasmas started life out as laptop displays, yes remember those orange monochrome plasmas on toshiba laptops? Yet all laptops today use LCD instead of plasma. As a matter of fact LCDs are getting bigger and bigger with higher resolutions, but that's not all because ultra high resolution displays are already possible with 200 dpi LCDs.

Fact is LCDs are becoming the defacto standard for computer displays while CRTs which has higher contrast ratios and brightness will eventually be extinct even though they're becoming dirt cheap.

Who knows by the time OLED reaches screen sizes big enough for desktops and/or television displays, something better might be just around the corner

 

[DemoCoder]

Both OLEDs and Plasmas have better contrast, better brightness, better color saturation. LCD's also have more of a "screen door" or visible grid. Oh, and let's not forget viewing angles which still can't reach 180 deg with comparable brightness and refresh rate (e.g. "blurry LCD with motion trails") Plasma's are easier to manufacture in larger sizes too.

LCD's only advantage is lack of "burn in" and weight. But home theater philes only care about IQ, not weight, long lifespan (who'se gonna keep a TV for more than 10 years?) and power consumption.

If you want the best image quality, no way will you go for lcd over plasma. Many HT people still go with CRTs over LCD projectors because of LCD's many short comings. LCOS may be it's saving grace. I own an LCD projector and the screen door aliasing annoys me, and I still have to deal with contrast issues I wouldn't even think about with a plasma. I also own a 19" inch LCD flat panel monitor, and while it is vastly brighter than a CRT, I am annoyed at motion trails in counter-strike that I wouldn't get with plasma.