[H] Benchmarking Future Ed.

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  1. Reverend

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    OMG... I didn't know that about NVNews and Rage3D. Guess I'll need to be more careful when I visit them next.
     
  2. nelg

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    HIVnews or RageVD :D
     
  3. digitalwanderer

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    Please tell me I can't catch it by just posting at one of them, 'cause I tend to post a bit at both! :eek:
     
  4. Ichneumon

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    LMAO... Ph33R next year's april fools at Rage3D hahahahahaha :lol:


    ok, probably not, but an enormously humorous image came to mind for an april fools spoof for rage3d after reading that...
     
  5. micron

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    Yea, I freaked last april fools......thanx Eric :wink:
     
  6. Borsti

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    LOL! I meant IHV for sure!

    :lol:

    Lars
     
  7. Doomtrooper

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    I know that it was a very popular Nvidia fan site for years :), and visited your site when I did own those products.

    I didn't say it was easy Borsti, but looking at your articles in the early days shows you were catered to the Nvidia crowd.
    Doesn't make it a bad thing, but does influence 'reviews'.

    A new domain name would be in order IMO :)

    Well your reviews diversified alot after you started working there...approx around the 8500 launch.
    You are one of the few sites that claimed the 5800 Ultra the new 'King' meanwhile Nvidia is completley removing that particular card from their webpage...it doesn't exist.
    What ever happend to screen shots showing IQ doing graphic card reviews ?? We are talking Graphic Cards here, not Graph Cards.

    A year ago I emailed you about your comments on the Parhelia review:

    http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1382&start=0

    you stated you were going to leave out the 8500 Anisotropic filtering numbers because it was too 'controversial' and wasn't 'true' anisotropic filtering. You were only going to use it if ATI told you exactly what they were doing :lol:
    Yet you happily benchmarked away with your 5800 review using Bilinear AF, putting up your fancy graphs show it beating a 9700 which was doing trilinear.


    How about commenting on the title of this review, and how wrong you were (remember your article you just wrote then stringing people along in your conclusions)

    ATi Radeon 9700 PRO -
    Pretender To The Throne


    http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20020819/index.html

    I find the closing comments in this article very funny, I'm sorry..you write a article about the public getting played by IHVs when really the hyprocrisy of it all is you got played, recomending a cancelled card that people can't even buy, or find on Nvidias webpage :roll:
    The mis-information starts with the review sites then spreads throughout the forums.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030127/geforce_fx-29.html

    Your comments from this review:
    Crown of what...Pr power ?? With image quality comparisons below with obvious lod bias problems, and poor filterting. No mention of that in your review, Unlike the excellent review below...I'm sorry, take some critique and use image quality in your 'future' crownings. Setting the sliders to 2X FSAA on both cards doesn't mean the output is the same, especially Intellisample vs. Smoothvision II.

    http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/gffx5800u/gffx_5.htm

    Example:

    232 fps Great IQ
    241 fps Poor IQ

    Tomshardware claims the poor IQ card ' the new king' based soley on FPS. So IMO you have done a poor job on a 'apples to apples' comparison.

    Edit: I might add that all the review sites were played, besides this one regearding slider settings in the old Nvidia control panel...and I wasn't fooled for a minute :wink:

    http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4051&start=0
     
  8. nelg

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    Hey Doomtrooper check out my new sig. :wink:
     
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    And we've chased another one away.

    Congrats, guys.
     
  11. whql

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    You think that DoomTrooper's post is without merit then?
     
  12. Doomtrooper

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    Russ thinks we should all be weasels, nothing in the post above was rude, I stated facts provided with links.

    I kiss ass to no one :wink:
     
  13. WaltC

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    Who was the first "one"?....*chuckle*

    I dunno', Russ, it seems to me that the "ones" being "chased" have as much room to respond to comments as those doing the "chasing" have to make them. Where's the problem?

    If the arguments seem one sided perhaps that's because only one side is making any points...? Just a thought...;)

    I'm kind of old fashioned, I guess, and think that a "forum" is not a place for grandstanding, not a platform for one-sided preaching to the masses, but rather a place for discussion, dialogue, and debate. Quoting someone's own published remarks as a rebuttal to a recently stated position they've taken which runs contrary to those remarks is a tried and true debating tactic used almost universally--and generally accepted as legitimate everywhere. Underhanded? I think not. It's merely a very convincing way of saying and asking "This is what you said before, in your own words, and it seems contrary to your current position as stated here. Which remarks do you mean to retract, or do you have a justification for both positions?"--and that sort of thing.

    I don't believe in the concept of "celebrity." An idea is either good or bad, justifiable or not, based on its substance and the person having the idea is irrelevant. IE, I'm not one for pandering. Example: if George Bush tells me he thinks a space shuttle with one wing is dandy idea but a wino named Buster in the alley tells me he'd prefer a shuttle with two, Bush's celebrity is not going to keep me from from ridiculing Bush and praising the wino...;)

    By the same token, I do not view web masters as universally incompetent, either...;) It's just that their ideas are not valid simply because they are published on a web page--they must be valid intrinsically to hold up. Right? Good and honest web masters engage in debate on the substance of their ideas and are simply not afraid of picking up a new one here and there along the way. Other web masters are "chased away" when faced with their own opinions and asked to justify them. What does this tell us of their opinions as they originally published them? A pertinent question, I think.
     
  14. RussSchultz

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    No, I think you shouldn't be a weasel. At least not a rabid one.

    The shark feeding frenzy attitude and congratulating each other for 'schooling' somebody is just plain juvenile.

    Dogging non-english speakers for mispellings and/or misuse of the language is pure class.

    And that is the problem. What purpose is there in ridiculing people, beyond attempting to shame them into not expressing their viewpoints?

    You claim to be all about free expression of ideas, but the oppresiveness of the gang tactics here (whether or not you realise it) is counter productive to that free expression of ideas, unless, apparently, they coincide with your own.
     
  15. Pete

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    Mmmm, classy. *drool*

    Seriously, I think that was an attack on judging video cards solely based on benchmark numbers, without taking into account IQ.

    I agree with Russ' dislike of the "Oh, snap, you just got schooled, boyee!" chorus in some threads. Lars seems to be fairly reasonable when he posts here, so, though I don't agree with some of his articles, I try to keep the debate civilized.
     
  16. Doomtrooper

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    Pete/Russ what is your purpose here, if you have a rebuttal from my post, makes some valid statements, I couldn't care less about your semantics.

    Legitimate issues were posted, I'm sick of the defensive attitude around obvious flaws in reviewing, and it doesn't get better by walking on 'egg shells' when a reviewers shows up. :x
     
  17. RussSchultz

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    What's wrong, Doom? Don't like people ganging up on you and critiqueing your "review reviewing" style?

    I'm sick of the defensive attitude around obvious flaws in discourse around here, and it doesn't get better by walking on 'egg shells' when somebody's acting out of line.

    Seriously, though. I respect and somewhat agree with your views on Kyle, Lars, et al. However, I don't think that Beyond3d is the right place to sit around and bitch about them. I think YOUR board is the right place for you to soapbox from, or their board, but not here.

    Of course, I'm just somebody who likes polite discourse about technology, not pages and pages of snarky gossip.

    By the way, did you hear what John did? How scandelous! I've never seen such behavior...
     
  18. Borsti

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    It´s not that easy to chase me away :wink: I´m always interrested in peoples opinions... even if they are prejudiced like Dooms. That´s the reason why I visit this forum as well as others. I made my point. If he still wants to see it in another way, well, that´s his choice.

    Lars
     
  19. K.I.L.E.R

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    Welcome to Beyond3D Mr Lars (sorry, I don't know your surname)

    I have a bad habbit of spanking good boys. ;)

    I hope you can stay around longer than 10 days. Some people have a habbit of disappearing, it isn't because of me either. Even though sometimes I can be a little bit of a porn enthusiast. :lol:

    Try not to take most things too seriously, you will find a majority of us are not out to get you or Kyle.
    I do not consider Kyle or yourself as bad people even if I disagree with your opinions. :)

    Have a good stay and I hope all of us can have some nice discussions.
     
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    What Russ said. :(
     
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