Crytek closes 5 of its 7 studios.

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You really should try to be more compassionate, it can be faster than you think to get into situations you never imagined yourself in.
I'm not a charity. I work for money, because I require said money to provide for my wife of eight years, my daughter of five and my son of 13 months. Here's my first compassionate measure: ensuring my young family isn't homeless and hungry. Let's talk more about compassion: how much pay did Crytek's upper eschelon of leadership skip in order to try to pay their employees?

If I'm an employee of an organization and I elect to gamble on continued paychecks, then I must also elect to consider what happens if I lose my gamble. I do not go into a casino, dump $200 on a roulette table on #13, and then cry to those around me when the wheel hits #00.
 
What is the gaming job market like in Germany/Skorea etc? What is the ratio of successful indie developers to unsuccessful?
 
Exclusive: Crytek to receive $500M investment from Turkey government: http://hardavenue.com/crytek-receive-500m-turkey-Investment/

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=tr&sl=tr&tl=en&u=https://leadergamer.com.tr/2016/12/25/crytek-500-milyon-dolarlik-yatirim/

"Prime Minister Binali Yildirim, who spoke at Turkey’s 500 Great Exporters Award Ceremony, paid attention to the gaming industry during his speech and said, “There is a man from Giresun who lives in Germany, he is one of the leaders of the gaming industry in the world, they will come and invest in Turkey. The investment foresees 500 million dollars, the technology they build is beyond my understanding, no matter what, it is not so hard to understand that our future relies on innovation.”


Cevat Yerlis family comes from Giresun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cevat_Yerli
 
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I'm not a charity. I work for money, because I require said money to provide for my wife of eight years, my daughter of five and my son of 13 months. Here's my first compassionate measure: ensuring my young family isn't homeless and hungry.

Good for you! I am so impressed by the fact that you have a wife and two children! And you have even been married for eight years! OMG!!!


Let's talk more about compassion: how much pay did Crytek's upper eschelon of leadership skip in order to try to pay their employees?

Quoting myself here: "t can be faster than you think to get into situations you never imagined yourself in". If you thought I meant that you should be more compassionate towards Crytec's management you lack some reading comprehension.


If I'm an employee of an organization and I elect to gamble on continued paychecks, then I must also elect to consider what happens if I lose my gamble. I do not go into a casino, dump $200 on a roulette table on #13, and then cry to those around me when the wheel hits #00.

Your casino analogy is idiotic. The only promise a casino gives you is that they will pay you money if you actually win.

In my professional life I have always gotten paid after I have done the work. At work I invoice my employer's customers after we have done the work. If I hire a painter I pay him/her after the work is done and they send me an invoice.

Maybe you get paid in advance but that is not the normal way business is conducted in western Europe at least. If people say they will pay you and they lie, you have done nothing wrong. The people who lied to you are the ones who did something wrong.
 
That said, the employees are also at fault for staying. They had a choice. They didn't have to stay.

If people lie to you you did not do anything wrong.

Meh. Just me. I get tired of people bitching about how tough they have it when they make far more money than they need to live a basic life. But then I grew up in real poverty, not the extravagant levels of money that the US government considers poverty.

Regards,
SB

Maybe I should write a post how tired I am of people bitching about how tired they are of people bitching. But I do not think anybody would be interested in reading that.
 
It takes two for the situation to get as bad as it is here. If you continue to do work for months on end without being paid the entire time most would call you a sucker and they would be right to do so.
 
If people lie to you you did not do anything wrong.

And where did they lie to them? We'll pay you next month? In the end it was a lie. But at the time, I'm sure upper management were trying their damnedest to get outside funding to keep things going and to get their employee's paid. And if the funding had come through?

Here's something else that doesn't require anyone telling you what you should do. Haven't gotten paid in 6 months? Maybe you should really think about leaving unless you think things are actually going to turn around. At that point, it doesn't matter what management tells you. If a person decides to stay, that is entirely their choice and their responsibility.

I, myself, aren't a gambling man. If I haven't gotten paid in a month, I'm going to be looking for another job. Unless there are some really strong guarantees, that likely also means leaving the job sooner rather than later to begin looking for new employment full time. If needed, I'll even switch job careers in order to be employed. I've done it before. Even so far as to work at a place doing work I really did not want to do. But it paid and allowed me to save money and eventually find a job I actually wanted to do. And if I had to, I'd do it again.

Yes, it was a bad situation. But, while I have sympathy for those in that situation, it only goes so far. At some point, people have to take responsibility for their own lives and not sit there hoping their parents/company they work for/government is going to take care of them and tuck them into bed at night with promises that everything will be better in the future. Especially if they aren't disabled in some way.

I'm sure some people here will label me as heartless or whatever. But I donate my free time to helping local charities. Meals on wheels for the elderly and disabled as well as the local women's shelter. In fact our family ranch donates almost a ton of food to the local women's shelter every year.

Meh, whatever.

Regards,
SB
 
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Very sad story. Sad to know crytek employed free to play concepts in their sallary structure. FoP: Free of Pay.
yes, and I am of those people that always liked Crytek. They invented some graphics technologies that are standard these days, like SSAO, plus they always had ambitious engines. When Unreal engine was at its peak I always looked at CryEngine games with envious eyes.

Global Illumination in Crysis 2 felt like something fresh and new, too bad it didn't make it into consoles, although I thought it did at first, but it was too much for the PS3 and X360.

They should sell Ryse to the Xbox division.
 
Good for you! I am so impressed by the fact that you have a wife and two children! And you have even been married for eight years! OMG!!!
I didn't ask for your sarcasm about my family. You can straight shut the fuck up if you feel the need to disrespect my family. Seriously, only the lowest of scum feels the need to talk shit on someone else's family.

Quoting myself here: "t can be faster than you think to get into situations you never imagined yourself in". If you thought I meant that you should be more compassionate towards Crytec's management you lack some reading comprehension.
No, the obvious facts are A: you lack tact due to the aforementioned shutting-the-fuck-up you need to do about my family, which points to B: a lack communication skill on your part. Maybe English isn't your first language, fine so be it. You left out a large portion of your own post, part of which asked me to have compassion. I have a limited supply of compassion for companies who make promises to employees and fail to keep them. I have family who have been through this situation with Sun Microsystems back in the .COM bubble burst in the early 2000's here in the states. My family member already knew they were spiraling the toilet bowl, and they left when the second paycheck was missed (four weeks of total work.) The money they were owed was never paid, lesson learned.

I also have limited compassion for employees who elect, on a gamble, to work for free for extended duration based on nothing but promises from a company who has continually demonstrated problems generating revenue.

Your casino analogy is idiotic.
Casino is a gamble, at least they're guaranteed to pay if YOU win. Crytek employees were less lucky, apparently.

The people who lied to you are the ones who did something wrong.
Not when they lie to me for months upon months, continually missing contractually obligated payment schedules. If I keep working after months of missed payment deadlines, a substantial part of the blame falls upon ME for not recognizing the failure.

Alternate example: If I stop paying the general contractor who is building my back patio, according to our agreed-upon payment schedule formulated during the initiation of a statement of work, he will stop working. If I turn into an epic douche and never start payments again, it's true that perhaps he will be out a few grand at most. But this is a shitty example, given how pay for full time employees works. I'm not sure how England does it, but here in the States it's either salary or hourly wages paid in weekly or biweekly increments.

If my employer were to miss one weeks' pay, or perhaps two weeks, maybe it's a "hang on and see." If they miss six months of pay? I've somehow directly ignored either 26 or 13 paystubs, depending on paycycle. It stopped being their fault a long time ago...
 
It might be that in Korea there is a different kind of culture of trust. Maybe it does not occur to people that stuff like this even happens. Most people have a family. Your priorities are not special.
 
Exclusive: Crytek to receive $500M investment from Turkey government: http://hardavenue.com/crytek-receive-500m-turkey-Investment/

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=tr&sl=tr&tl=en&u=https://leadergamer.com.tr/2016/12/25/crytek-500-milyon-dolarlik-yatirim/

"Prime Minister Binali Yildirim, who spoke at Turkey’s 500 Great Exporters Award Ceremony, paid attention to the gaming industry during his speech and said, “There is a man from Giresun who lives in Germany, he is one of the leaders of the gaming industry in the world, they will come and invest in Turkey. The investment foresees 500 million dollars, the technology they build is beyond my understanding, no matter what, it is not so hard to understand that our future relies on innovation.”


Cevat Yerlis family comes from Giresun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cevat_Yerli

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Exclusive: Crytek to invest $500m in Turkey


Read more http://hardavenue.com/crytek-invest-500m-turkey/

"Important Update: We’ve received a statement saying the rumors going around various news sites and social media about the “Turkish investment in Crytek” are not reflecting the truth. In order to avoid any misunderstanding, we’ve deleted unconfirmed parts. Below, you’re only seeing the speech of PM Yıldırım about “the three Turkish brothers living in Germany, who own a leading company in the gaming sector” and their investment plans in Turkey"

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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-12-24-crytek-sofia-developers-re-form-black-sea-games
 
I didn't ask for your sarcasm about my family. You can straight shut the fuck up if you feel the need to disrespect my family. Seriously, only the lowest of scum feels the need to talk shit on someone else's family.

It was not sarcasm about your family, it was sarcasm about your need to show off your family. Please, try some reading comprehension next time (and perhaps less anger as well).
 
I have a limited supply of compassion for companies who make promises to employees and fail to keep them. I have family who have been through this situation with Sun Microsystems back in the .COM bubble burst in the early 2000's here in the states. My family member already knew they were spiraling the toilet bowl, and they left when the second paycheck was missed (four weeks of total work.) The money they were owed was never paid, lesson learned.

I never wrote that anybody should have compassion with companies who does not pay the wages that they own.

But the second part of what you wrote here is really interesting. I have never heard that employees were not paid at Sun until you wrote it here. Your family members should have had a very valid legal claim if that was the case. Would you care to expand on your story, it sounds really interesting.

(SUN did quite good business until Oracle bought the company, and it never entered bankrupcy.)
 
Alternate example: If I stop paying the general contractor who is building my back patio, according to our agreed-upon payment schedule formulated during the initiation of a statement of work, he will stop working. If I turn into an epic douche and never start payments again, it's true that perhaps he will be out a few grand at most. But this is a shitty example, given how pay for full time employees works. I'm not sure how England does it, but here in the States it's either salary or hourly wages paid in weekly or biweekly increments.

Building a "normal" pateo shouldn't take more than a week for a good contractor, so I do not know how that payment schedule should look. When I have had work done I have always gotten an invoice after the work was completed, but you can of course make any arrangements you want.

Regarding wages: I get paid monthly for last months pay (I get August's pay September 25 for example). So if my employer has a problem I could easily work three months without a salary.
 
Hey guys, regarding the job situation issue, we tend to forget that many forumers are from either side of the ocean, and work legislation it´s very different in the States and continental Europe, and even Uk. In reality varies in a country to country basis... just saying
 
Crytek Black Sea has been sold off to Creative Assembly
Back towards the end of 2016, we once again heard that Crytek was facing financial troubles, causing the company to downsize its operations and sell off certain studios. One such studio to was Crytek Black Sea, which has now found a home over at Creative Assembly, the team behind the Total War franchise, Alien Isolation and most recently, Halo Wars 2.

The studio has now been renamed ‘Creative Assembly Sofia’ and will retain its 60 developers. This has caused Creative Assembly as a whole to jump over the 500 employee mark, all of which are working on some unannounced project for 2017.
http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/matth...k-sea-has-been-sold-off-to-creative-assembly/

It's good they were able to keep the developers as a whole team.
 
That's definitely good news for the development team at that site. I'm assuming they attempted do the same with the other development teams that were disbanded, but were unable to find a buyer.

Hopefully Creative Assembly doesn't falter from this as I like them. Not because Crytek Black Sea aren't good, but just that as a company expands, things can get more difficult to manage and oversee.

Regards,
SB
 
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