I think it's fitting frank used the Mythbusters 'busted' logo, because their science often isn't good either.
No, he isn't saying that. Your "religion" is getting in the way of looking at anything but what you "believe". He is saying that human caused global warming is not only not happening, but the whole theory is bunk.Questions? Why on Earth would I seek the input of somebody that is so completely and utterly disconnected from reality that he actually thinks that the Earth isn't warming?
Btw.
Does that means I'm against renewable sources of energy? No.
Or that I forgot to calculate the amount of CO2 and methane released through our lifestyle? No.
Or many more things like that. They are all contributing.
However, they tend to cancel each other out in the "unknown, margin of error" territory.
Does the increase in the amount of humans and agriculture cancel the effect of deforestation and pavement? Or, what is the feedback loop between those and cloud coverage?
Help! Chaotic systems (ie. there are more variables than can be taken into account, which can all initiate a feedback loop) make things very hard to predict.
It's like you build a state machine with more variables than you know, and put weather on top of it. Nobody is going to be able to come up with a working model of that. Period.
Heh. I actually really like Mythbusters. Yes, they don't engage in very rigorous examinations. Yes, they make mistakes fairly often when explaining things and whatnot. But at its core, the process they go through is the very heart of science. Not being quite as careful as they could be is just a minor detail: getting out there and doing tests, and most importantly re-doing tests based upon feedback from others, are the really important things.I think it's fitting frank used the Mythbusters 'busted' logo, because their science often isn't good either.
Epic, he actually did. Right here:No, he isn't saying that. Your "religion" is getting in the way of looking at anything but what you "believe". He is saying that human caused global warming is not only not happening, but the whole theory is bunk.
No one disputes climate change.
Heh. I actually really like Mythbusters. Yes, they don't engage in very rigorous examinations. Yes, they make mistakes fairly often when explaining things and whatnot. But at its core, the process they go through is the very heart of science. Not being quite as careful as they could be is just a minor detail: getting out there and doing tests, and most importantly re-doing tests based upon feedback from others, are the really important things.
So that was so good question that you chose not to answer it? Interesting.That's a good point, and the crux of the matter.
If something isn't like it was yesterday, or last year, is that cause for concern? Like, the cold period thirty years ago? Or the small Ice Age? Or, whatever that is chaotic and hard to predict?
Fun anecdotal evidence:Does that mean that it is unprecedented? To whom, and over what timescale?
I did but I didn't start with making up my mind and then "researching" the papers that would support it.How many of you did your own research and made up your own mind?
So basically you think it's too much of a hassle and expensive so we should ignore it?Frank said:On the other hand, people live about 50 years, and things that take 30 years to resolve (which is an arbitrary cutoff), take much too long to raise any "awareness", or budgets.
Can you point out some of those lies? Obviously I expect them to be something that is generally accepted, not random ramblings of a single person.Frank said:But I object strongly against the way it's forced down our throats. Lies and FUD.
I enjoy the Mythbusters, I (like Sxotty said above) just find that often their obvious scientific oversights can be a cause for frustration. It's good that they do the science, but occasionally their controls are terrible or they miss an obvious error in their reasoning. (Their failing on the ice bullet because they couldn't come up with the idea to insulate the ice from the heat continues to annoy me, I actually did this when I was 14 with a .410 shotgun and a light load). This has led to them busting myths in error, just like Frank.
Yeah, sometimes those things are annoying. But at the same time, that's what makes the show such a great demonstration of what science is really about! The discussion that goes on about what Mythbusters do and how they screw up is very much the kind of discussion that goes on within science. These kinds of screwups within science are really much more common than most would like to admit. But science remains extremely trustworthy precisely because it is involved in this broader discussion.I enjoy the Mythbusters, I (like Sxotty said above) just find that often their obvious scientific oversights can be a cause for frustration. It's good that they do the science, but occasionally their controls are terrible or they miss an obvious error in their reasoning. (Their failing on the ice bullet because they couldn't come up with the idea to insulate the ice from the heat continues to annoy me, I actually did this when I was 14 with a .410 shotgun and a light load). This has led to them busting myths in error, just like Frank.
Haha, yes, that was completely crazy. I do hope that that makes it onto an episode. I rather doubt it, though.To me, it seems on the show, more often they bust myths when their evidence is not supporting it, but the myths do deserve busted. Too bad they are out of the cannon business though I assume youguys heard about that.
Let's keep the language clear: observations are fact, but explanations are theory.The Earth is warming and humans are causing the lion's share of that warming. Those are the facts, and your psychological projection is unimpressive.
Meh, the line blurs between these things all the time. But to be a bit pedantic, copious amounts of evidence from many different directions support the statement that humans are causing the Earth to warm, primarily as a result of CO2 emissions. The evidence of this is, today, so strong that there is no longer any serious discussion about this. The scientific discussion is, instead, about just how bad the warming will get in the future. And that is a very difficult question to answer ahead of time, unfortunately. But no matter which way you slice it, the outlook is quite dire if we don't do anything.Let's keep the language clear: observations are fact, but explanations are theory.
Yes, I support it. It's pretty much the only viable longish-term solution for surviving the upcoming energy crisissimple question to those who believe in AGW. Do you support nuclear power?
Isn't the cost of doing nothing higher? At some point wind/solar will be a viable alternative but right now nuclear energy is the only solution, if you believe AGW is a serious issue thats needs to be dealt with right now.I'm increasingly concerned about humongous costs. many tens of billions dollars/euros in future costs for the whole life cycle and death of power plants have been swept under the rug.
Agreed, wish the environmental movement would get out of the way and let those who want to build nuclear power plants do so. This right here could decrease the amount of pollution right away.Yes, I support it. It's pretty much the only viable longish-term solution for surviving the upcoming energy crisis
I do, sort of, and believe we should let Iran use it, but I'm increasingly concerned about humongous costs. many tens of billions dollars/euros in future costs for the whole life cycle and death of power plants have been swept under the rug. the nuclear catastrophes aren't pretty as well, they do have a very low probability of occuring but eventually do on the span of decades.