Gamespy on N

[Rodéric]

I don't like violence, and there's a decent racing game, and there are violent games : Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil, Metroid Prime...

Don't remember the name of that racing game, I'm not into those games, but I remember it had a good review.

 

[Deepak]

It is now for N to decide whether they want to be ROLLS ROYSE or try and be TOYOTA......

 

[Teasy]

Deepak

Exactly I am talking about GC

Not sure what your point is here. As I said two of those 4 Nintendo games in the top 10 are for GC. No other system, appart from N64, has 2 games in the top 10.

My point is that N games get more praise than they deserve....every N game is considered a masterpiece even before the release

You mean like Final Fantasy is considered a masterpeice before its released? Or like Halo 2 is considered a masterpeice before its released? Or any other beloved franchise or beloved game that gets a sequal. Your talking about something that happens with many games and series of games as if its exclusive to Nintendo. People look forward to games, and believe they'll be great before they're released because they're either a sequal to a game they love or a game they like the sound of from a dev that never disapoints them. Nintendo and Nintendo games fit into this catatory for many people and so do other devs and games.

On a side note people believing a game will be great before release can work against a game as far as reviews go. Because if a game doesn't quite live upto the expectation then it can fail despite being a really good game.

Johnny

The problem is that all the quality is in the form of Miyamoto-style games. There isn't even a decent racing game on the system. No major arcade fighting franchise either. Nothing to hook the casual gamer with ultra violence like GTA or Halo.

GC has plenty of quality exclusive none Miyamoto type games, and even more quality multi-platform games. I don't know how anyone could say otherwise.

I agree there isn't really a decent exclusive racer AFAICS, though hopefully that will change with F-Zero. Also yeah there isn't a major exclusive arcade fighter for GC, but it still does have a major fighter in Soul Calibur 2.. which is actually selling best on GC out of all the consoles its been released on. The Resident Evil series of games fits the bill as the exclusive ultra violent games for casual gamers.

 

[Kolgar]

That's still pretty slim pickings, Teasy. Even after GC eventually covers all its bases, it'll still be lacking depth in key areas.

Kolgar

 

[zurich]

That's still pretty slim pickings, Teasy. Even after GC eventually covers all its bases, it'll still be lacking depth in key areas.

Kolgar

Nod, no realistic racers (Rally, F1, Daytona, etc), no arcade fighers (Bloody Roar? ), no flight sims (a la Ace Combat), no RPGs (Squenix style games), no real FPSs (save Timesplitters and Turok!), and most importantly, no adventure-action-beat'em'up for the casuals such as Dynasty Warriors/DMC, etc.

Those are some pretty key genres that sell quite nicely at retail. Perhaps there is an obscure game or two that could fall into those catagories, but that shouldn't be the case. N should have a 'showcase' title for each catagory that jumps out at the consumer.

ie:

Rally Racers - RSC(xbox), WRC/McCollin Rae (PS2).
'Realistic Racers' - Sega GT (xbox), GT3 (PS2)
Fighters - DoA3 (Xbox), Virtua Figther 4/Tekken (PS2)
Flight Sims - That launch Konami game that doesn't really apply, but its 'there! ( Xbox), Ace Combat 4 (PS2)
RPGs - Concede this one, XBOX has zilch / Too Many To Name (PS2)
FPS - Halo (xbox) / Red Faction, SOCOM, MoH etc etc (PS2)
BeatEmUps - Dynasty Warriors (Xbox/PS2), Crimson Sea (xbox), DMC (ps2), Buffy (again, didnt sell, but its there.. xbox)

Those games are pretty much top of their genres, and any reasonably informed gamer would be able to name those off the top of their head... as for comparable titles on GC? Well.. I'd reckon they dont exist, they're 'in the queue', or similar-but-not-really(ie: comparing FZero to SegaGT/GT3).

 

[CaptainHowdy]

"no real FPSs (save Timesplitters and Turok"

lets keep showing how uninformed we are, so where are all the FPS on PS2 and Xbox that arent on GC?

GC has- MOH:FL, Red Faction 2, James Bond AUF, TS2, James Bond NightFire, Metroid Prime, Diehard vendetta, Ghost Recond, Sum of all Fears.

that pretty much covers every one XBox has, Xbox has Halo, which you would put in place of Metroid on that list, oh and it has a almost completely unplayable Unreal Championship...

Forgetting the best Arcade fighter yet, MKA, Smash brothers, Godzilla, and the be all end all of them coming, Soul Calibur 2

Ace combat is hardly a flight sim, its no more a flightsim than Rogue Leader is.. IL2 Sturmovik, thats a flight sim... I dont think you know what a SIM is

 

[Kolgar]

Unfortunately, Cap, nearly every game you mentioned is also on other platforms. And sorry, but the Cube's Thalidomide-induced anemic D-pad is not very well suited to fighting games.

Kolgar

 

[CaptainHowdy]

I dont think we were talking exclusives, he is stating it doesnt have a well rounded library...
how many exclusive shooters does Xbox and PS2 have outside that list? not many, each system has 1-2 exclusive shooters, PS2 from my knowledge has no exclusive shooters, all the major ones were ported ever(and turned out much better) on other systems..

 

[zurich]

that pretty much covers every one XBox has, Xbox has Halo, which you would put in place of Metroid on that list, oh and it has a almost completely unplayable Unreal Championship...

Hehe, not too long ago weren't Nintendo fans screaming that Metroid was an FPA, not an FPS?

 

[jvd]

that pretty much covers every one XBox has, Xbox has Halo, which you would put in place of Metroid on that list, oh and it has a almost completely unplayable Unreal Championship...

Hehe, not too long ago weren't Nintendo fans screaming that Metroid was an FPA, not an FPS?

since when do we have so many sub genres ? This is becoming like the music industry. The other day i brought home the new a-fi cd and my little sister was like i didn't know u like emo ... i'm like what the seasme street guy and she was like no a-fi is emo ... i'm like no this is punk like the clash and sex pistols and she was like no emo....

 

[zurich]

since when do we have so many sub genres ? This is becoming like the music industry. The other day i brought home the new a-fi cd and my little sister was like i didn't know u like emo ... i'm like what the seasme street guy and she was like no a-fi is emo ... i'm like no this is punk like the clash and sex pistols and she was like no emo....

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[CaptainHowdy]

it is a FPA, but its certainly close enough, epic enough and AAA enough to be put on the list in a comparison of title lists.

 

[Teasy]

no RPGs (Squenix style games)

You mean appart from the actual GC exclusive RPG from Square? Also what about Phantasy Star Online and Skies of Arcadia?

Those games are pretty much top of their genres, and any reasonably informed gamer would be able to name those off the top of their head... as for comparable titles on GC? Well.. I'd reckon they dont exist, they're 'in the queue', or similar-but-not-really(ie: comparing FZero to SegaGT/GT3).

Some of the games you mentioned for XBox and PS2, that apparently have no comparable GC game, are actually on GC

Seriously Zurich I don't know how you managed to miss out so many GC games in your post.

 

[zurich]

You mean appart from the actual GC exclusive RPG from Square? Also what about Phantasy Star Online and Skies of Arcadia?

You mean the Squenix game that isn't out yet, and appears to be more ActionRPG than RPG? Hehe, again, PSO as a traditional Japanese RPG? Skies of Arcadia's a DC port..

Japanese RPGs as in Xenosaga, Final Fantasy, Arc the Lad, etc.

 

[Teasy]

You mean the Squenix game that isn't out yet

Ok, I didn't think you mean only currently released games, considering the post you were replying to.

and appears to be more ActionRPG than RPG

You just said a Squarenix RPG.. FF:CC certainly is since its from Squarenix. I suppose you meant games like PS2 Final Fantasy then. As for FF:CC being an action RPG, I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

Hehe, again, PSO as a traditional Japanese RPG?

Ok then, GC has no traditional Japanese RPG's, but that's not the same as not having any RPG's.

Skies of Arcadia's a DC port

So what?, its not on XBox or PS2 is it? Its only on GC this generation. AFAICS you didn't even say the games had to be exclusive.

 

[chaphack]

Japanese RPG = PS2, like how FPS = Xbox.

Though GC is getting SOA2, Tales of Destiny 2 and Baiten Kaitos. Not a bad lineup, but no where near PS2 monopoly of JRPGs.

 

[zurich]

Teasy,

I'm not into nitpicking, just pointing out that the GC is devoid of JRPGs (as is the Xbox). Back to the original point, there are many genres that the GC doesn't have an ace game to contest with.

 

[jvd]

Teasy,

I'm not into nitpicking, just pointing out that the GC is devoid of JRPGs (as is the Xbox). Back to the original point, there are many genres that the GC doesn't have an ace game to contest with.

how is skies not a jrpg ? It was made by sega .

 

[Teasy]

Back to the original point, there are many genres that the GC doesn't have an ace game to contest with.

I don't think there are that many genre's that GC doesn't have really good games in. I agree there certainly are some, obviously, like realistic racing games for instance. GC doesn't seem to have any really good realistic racers, even multiplatform ones. So I don't disagree that GC has some holes in its lineup.

My point what that your earlier post went way over the top with the number of holes GC has in its lineup. At times you were listing games on PS2 and XBox that are on GC as well while claiming that GC has nothing to compare to them. You need to get up to speed on GC's lineup before trying to post something like that. That's all I'm saying.