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Deepak said:
The old nintendo would never of lowered the licensing fees just to satisfy or approach 3rd parties, never. Nintendo would never of made demos discs, let alone a demo disc featuring only upcoming 3rd party titles. Nintendo would never of bundled their latest hit 2 months after the release free with the console. The old nintendo would never make deals with their biggest competitors (ea), or hand over some of their popular franchises to other 3rd parties.
You have to be blind for not noticing how nintendo is changing, unless you didnt know nintendo until gamecube. There's still stuffs they have to fix of course, but nintendo in the past year has been nothing like the nintendo i know from 15 years ago. And oldies are leaving the field.. Maybe you missed the news of Hiroshi Yamauchi leaving his president place to Satoru Iwata?
I don't want to but in here but I don't think he was saying that you weren't interested in XBox Live. I think he was just using that as an example. You where saying that if your not a Miyamoto fan then what else does GameCube have to offer, which means you don't like GameCube's other content. What he was saying is of course you wouldn't like GameCube if you don't like its content. Its exactly the same for XBox. If someone doesn't like XBox live and XBox's exclusives then they won't be interested in XBox. The same also goes for PS2 or any other system.
Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, F-Zero, StarFox Armada, Resident Evil series, Rogue Leader, Wave Race, Super Monkey Ball series, Godzilla DAMM, Final Fantasy:CC , PN03, Killer 7 ect ect. GameCube offers lots of exclusive content that does not come from Miyamoto.
Of course games like Mario, Zelda ect are a big reason to own GC. I agree that if someone doesn't like Miyamoto's games then its a lot less likely that they'll choose GC as their console. But GC definitely does have other excellent games to offer that do not come from Miyamoto. Games that are of high enough quality to merit the purchase of GC. Maybe not for you, but for lots of other people.
Its not really about "GC only worth owning because of miyamoto", cause thats not true like teasy pointed out, im looking forward to more 3rd party games than nintendo ones on gamecube for the upcoming year.
BUT, its about how nintendo could do better to gather as much gamers as possible, and that only comes by giving a lot of choices to gamers, to be able to cover all genres. Nintendo could help it, they have the funds, they have the talent and have the employees. Its just that everything seems to be miyamoto's decision, and since he's head of the biggest NCL studio, much of the money goes in his projects. Sure, 3rd parties are helping to cover much of the genres but on a nintendo console you cant rely too much on 3rd parties. To begin, nintendo has to convince that their console is the HOME of genre A or B so that developers move there. Nintendo has failed to do that so far, they have great titles but nothing really convincing. Even sony managed to steal the platformer genre from nintendo, i mean what the hell? Back in the NES/SNES days you would of been laughed at if you would of said that nintendo wont be king of platformers someday.
Playstation became successfull because it gave the customer tons of choices when it came to gaming, it didnt have the "best" in any genres at all, but gamers looked at the overall lineup and decided it was better having tons of choice of maybe A to AA titles than having AAA titles that were 6+ months far inbetween like N64 had.
BUT, its about how nintendo could do better to gather as much gamers as possible, and that only comes by giving a lot of choices to gamers, to be able to cover all genres. Nintendo could help it, they have the funds, they have the talent and have the employees. Its just that everything seems to be miyamoto's decision, and since he's head of the biggest NCL studio, much of the money goes in his projects. Sure, 3rd parties are helping to cover much of the genres but on a nintendo console you cant rely too much on 3rd parties. To begin, nintendo has to convince that their console is the HOME of genre A or B so that developers move there. Nintendo has failed to do that so far, they have great titles but nothing really convincing. Even sony managed to steal the platformer genre from nintendo, i mean what the hell? Back in the NES/SNES days you would of been laughed at if you would of said that nintendo wont be king of platformers someday.
Playstation became successfull because it gave the customer tons of choices when it came to gaming, it didnt have the "best" in any genres at all, but gamers looked at the overall lineup and decided it was better having tons of choice of maybe A to AA titles than having AAA titles that were 6+ months far inbetween like N64 had.
Johnny Awesome
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Nintendo is in big trouble. They need to diversify their content, but they likely won't do so in time to save their hardware business. They won't be as graceless as Sega was though, when they finally exit the console hardware market.
CaptainHowdy
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Johnny Awesome said:
finally exit? its funny how everyone confuses getting consoles into households and making money.. Just because they are not in every home doesnt mean they are hurting one bit. I think you should take another look at how profitable PS2 and Xbox are in comparison before making such ignorant statements. Nintendo doesnt have to do anything but continue making quality games.. I think gamerankings.com top 10 list speaks well enough for that, just because the majority of America would rather have ten Wrestlers driving Monster Trucks games over one Zelda, doesnt mean everyone feels that way.
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Erm.. no not quite. At least I don't think so
Cyborg
Yeah I agree, Nintendo do need to produce more different types of games. But I also think they have already done so to some degree. Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime are two examples. But there is definitely still work to be done in diversifying there first/second party lineup.
Erm.. no not quite. At least I don't think so
Cyborg
Yeah I agree, Nintendo do need to produce more different types of games. But I also think they have already done so to some degree. Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime are two examples. But there is definitely still work to be done in diversifying there first/second party lineup.
The problem is not really about having a good portfolio, but to make it known. For the casual, Nintendo is Ze kiddie. Selling 90M copies of Pokemon in the last decade make a lot of money, but it give you a BIG reputation.
Anyway, Nintendo is far from being out of business. Comparing to Sega is just pointless. Sega business plan was written by drunken monkeys for years. They won the prize of worst company in Japan in 2000, all industrail sectors included. Nintendo and Sony are usually on the other side of that list.
Anyway, Nintendo is far from being out of business. Comparing to Sega is just pointless. Sega business plan was written by drunken monkeys for years. They won the prize of worst company in Japan in 2000, all industrail sectors included. Nintendo and Sony are usually on the other side of that list.
Not taking Johnnys side completely here, but if continueing 'making quality games' is the only thing you think Nintendo has to do, then I don't see them in this market for very long. The article points out a problem with this: while the quality of their games is consistant, Nintendo's profits is decreasing with every generation. Johnny is absolutely correct - if they want to gain more of the market again, they better start diversifying their content, because making quality games within the same old genres isn't going to help much.
Pretty much a shame actually, but other brilliant games such as Jak & Daxter just do not sell as they used to. The times are changing and Nintendo will have to follow suit, just as Naughty Dog is willing to.
Deepak said:
I dunno if you look at the ps2 , gc and xbox games and check out the reviews for them u will see that they all basicly have the same amount of tripple a titles (sony's ahead but also has had the most time) SO i can see where the gamecube quality to crap arguement holds true considering there aren't as many games on the gamecube as there are for the ps2
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