Gamespy on N

[Almasy]

After losing the console battle I see N fans always harp the myth that GC has quality games and PS2/XB only quantity....which is pure bulshit....XB/GC both has equal amount of quality games and GC comes nowhere near PS2.....

Nintendo ERA is OVER!

I dunno if you look at the ps2 , gc and xbox games and check out the reviews for them u will see that they all basicly have the same amount of tripple a titles (sony's ahead but also has had the most time) SO i can see where the gamecube quality to crap arguement holds true considering there aren't as many games on the gamecube as there are for the ps2

Wrong, if we go by reviews, using gamerankings, there will be many more PS2 titles from the range of 80%+ games (starting from that point, games start to be considered to be "great"). The number of 80%+ on either Xbox and GCN cannot compete with PS2´s.

 

[jvd]

After losing the console battle I see N fans always harp the myth that GC has quality games and PS2/XB only quantity....which is pure bulshit....XB/GC both has equal amount of quality games and GC comes nowhere near PS2.....

Nintendo ERA is OVER!

I dunno if you look at the ps2 , gc and xbox games and check out the reviews for them u will see that they all basicly have the same amount of tripple a titles (sony's ahead but also has had the most time) SO i can see where the gamecube quality to crap arguement holds true considering there aren't as many games on the gamecube as there are for the ps2

Wrong, if we go by reviews, using gamerankings, there will be many more PS2 titles from the range of 80%+ games (starting from that point, games start to be considered to be "great"). The number of 80%+ on either Xbox and GCN cannot compete with PS2´s.

not according to game informer . whats gamerankings? Also i said tripple a , not 80% , i'm talking about 90% and above.

 

[Almasy]

Gamerankings is a compillation of reviews across the web. I also find funny how you dismiss 80% and up games, but whatever:

Taking Overall Score into account:

PS2:
Above 80%: 131
Above 85%: 60
Above 90%: 22

GCN:
Above 80%: 52
Above 85%: 30
Above 90%: 10

Xbox:
Above 80%: 65
Above 85%: 34
Above 90%: 6

www.gamerankings.com

Choose advanced search, limit results to 200, choose the plattform, minimum reviews are set to 5, date is set to all titles.

I found them there. As you can see, PS2 has many more titles in the 90% range than either GCN or Xbox.[/url]

 

[Phil]

Wazoo, Quaid:

Not true. Nin. profits in the N64 area were 50% higher than during the SNES period. 2001-2002 was their record earning year and their 4th year successive profit growth. Pokemon had its share of responsability in this, of course.

Wrong. Nintendo's profits have inreased with each generation. Their market share may decreasing, but the profits are increasing. big difference between market share and profits.

I was basing my arguement of this part of the gamespy article, that states:

Unfortunately, Nintendo's cautious handling of the market could pave the way to even worse predicaments. With the exception of Virtual Boy, Nintendo has profited with all of its hardware systems, but its profits and market share have dropped with every generation.

Truthfully, I can't say if this is correct or not, but what I do know is that as their marketshare decreases further, it will have an inpact on profitability sooner or later. While Nintendo may have enjoyed great profits with the N64, things don't look as bright now and if they loose more marketshare, it will get worse.

 

[Teasy]

After losing the console battle I see N fans always harp the myth that GC has quality games and PS2/XB only quantity....which is pure bulshit....XB/GC both has equal amount of quality games and GC comes nowhere near PS2.....

Nintendo ERA is OVER!

Your not going to start saying things like "PS2 rulez joo" or anything are you?

Seriously, who have you heard saying PS2 and XBox only have quantity and no quality? I find it hard to believe anyone would say that.

BTW Here's some GameRanking stats that relate to your "Nintendo era is over" comment.

Nintendo has 4 times the amount of games, in the top 10 at GameRankings, of any other developer (4 out of 10 are Nintendo games). They aren't all N64 games either. GameCube itself has 2 games in the top 10, that's more then any other none Nintendo system!

 

[Rodéric]

Seriously, who have you heard saying PS2 and XBox only have quantity and no quality? Nobody on this board I bet.

IMO:

XBox : mostly PC games == quantity & graphics over quality (gameplay)
PS2: quantity over quality
NGC: quality over quantity

That doesn't mean they don't have quality title, just that the average quality is lower for the other consoles.

To your ranking system work well, we would need to agree and what's quality, which is impossible due to differing tastes, still to make something fair, you should get all platform games and divide the game number in each category by that number to get %.

Cause taking the 1st X or even random can generate strange result.
Think about taking all Z titles for a NINTENDO console... you would end with very high results due to Zelda... still this is no representative of the whole system games.

 

[Rodéric]

For fun I just give gameranks a try with 'voting' and all platforms; here's the result:


1. Zelda: The Wind Waker NGC Nintendo 389 9.3 96.4% 95.8%
2. Zelda: OOT & Master Quest NGC Nintendo 260 9.2 91.2% 90.3%
3. Final Fantasy Origins PSX Square Enix 16 9.1 79.0% 80.2%
4. Skies of Arcadia Legends NGC Sega 180 9.0 87.2% 87.2%
5. Zelda: A Link to the Past GBA Nintendo 391 9.0 93.3% 93.6%
6. Burnout 2 NGC Acclaim 22 9.0 87.3% 86.7%
7. Zelda: Link's Awakening GBC Nintendo 341 8.9 91.6% 91.0%
8. Winning Eleven 6 PS2 Konami 78 8.9 92.2% 92.4%
9. Far Cry PC Ubi Soft 196 8.9 -- --
10. Onimusha 3 PS2 Capcom 8 8.9 -- --
11. Zelda: Oracle of Seasons GBC Nintendo 350 8.9 91.8% 91.7%
12. Zelda: Oracle of Ages GBC Nintendo 358 8.9 91.7% 91.6%
13. Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 2 PS2 Vivendi Universal 7 8.9 -- --
14. Galactic Civilizations PC Strategy First 26 8.8 80.6% 81.5%
15. Metal Gear Solid

 

[Teasy]

I never look at the voting section, its far to hit and miss IMO. Here's the top 15 from the reviews section.

1 - Zelda: OOT - Nintendo - N64 = 98.2%
2 - Metroid Prime - Nintendo - GC = 96.6%
3 - Soul Calibur - Namco - DC = 96.5%
4 - Half Life - Siera - PC = 96.3%
5 - Goldeneye - Nintendo - N64 = 95.9%
6 - Zelda: TWW - Nintendo - GC = 95.8%
7 - Gran Turismo - Sony - PSX = 95.6%
8 - GTA3 - Rockstar - PS2 = 95.5%
9 - THPS2 - Activision - DC = 95.2%
10 - Halo - Microsoft - XBox = 95.2%
11 - Teken 3 - Namco - PSX = 95.1%
12 - NFL2k1 - Sega - DC = 95.1%
13 - Perfect Dark - Nintendo - N64 = 94.9%
14 - MGS2 - Konami - PS2 = 94.9%
15 - Mario 64 - Nintendo - N64 = 94.8%

 

[jvd]

and yet game informer has ps2 up by only 10 tittles over the game cube and the xbox and only 17 tittles over the dreamcast Go pick up an issue and count the reviews they have a quick bar in the back . Sadly u have to get one of the first issues of game informer for any dreamcast info

 

[Cyborg]

Cyborg prove that....!

Well i might of said it too fast but it still holds true for the majority of console genres.

32/64 generation

Platformer = Mario 64
Adventure = Zelda oot
Racing = GT (and thats hard to say, mario kart for some had much more gameplay)
RPG = Panzer dragoon saga
Action = Goldeneye

Psx had the most selection of every genres, and the most AA out of them, but it didnt truely have the "masterpiece game" for much of them. Thats my point.

 

[Sonic]

You're probably right on the platformer genre. Zelda isn't an adventure game, but more of an adventure RPG. It was the best adventure RPG out of the consoles. I would say there's a little better racing games than Gran Turismo. I'm more of a fan of arcade type racers so I would even put R4 above GT. The RPG genre is up for debate as I thought Panzer Saga was the best RPG on the Saturn next to Grandia, I also think Xenogears is better than PDS. The action genre is also up for debate, but it isn't Goldeneye in my eyes. That game was too slow for someone like me who loves fast in your face arcade action.

 

[Teasy]

If we try to prove which system has the best games in each genre using personal opinion then we'll probably be here all day. The best way to do it is to use overall review scores for each game.

 

[jvd]

You're probably right on the platformer genre. Zelda isn't an adventure game, but more of an adventure RPG. It was the best adventure RPG out of the consoles. I would say there's a little better racing games than Gran Turismo. I'm more of a fan of arcade type racers so I would even put R4 above GT. The RPG genre is up for debate as I thought Panzer Saga was the best RPG on the Saturn next to Grandia, I also think Xenogears is better than PDS. The action genre is also up for debate, but it isn't Goldeneye in my eyes. That game was too slow for someone like me who loves fast in your face arcade action.

I dunno . Xenogears was a good rpg but pds was truely something new. It was something that wasn't done yet . At least in that way. Where as xenogears was more of an extension of something older . Regardless i've played through pds 3 times and xenogears only once . But its all personal taste.

 

[Tagrineth]

You're probably right on the platformer genre. Zelda isn't an adventure game, but more of an adventure RPG. It was the best adventure RPG out of the consoles. I would say there's a little better racing games than Gran Turismo. I'm more of a fan of arcade type racers so I would even put R4 above GT. The RPG genre is up for debate as I thought Panzer Saga was the best RPG on the Saturn next to Grandia, I also think Xenogears is better than PDS. The action genre is also up for debate, but it isn't Goldeneye in my eyes. That game was too slow for someone like me who loves fast in your face arcade action.

Zelda != RPG. It's an action/adventure.

And I'd say F-Zero X is the best racer of that gen.

Agreed on Xenogears though It's incredible. But, once I get PDS, I'll be a better judge of that one... but I can definitely say Xenogears is my current top RPG.

 

[Deepak]

BTW Here's some GameRanking stats that relate to your "Nintendo era is over" comment.

Nintendo has 4 times the amount of games, in the top 10 at GameRankings, of any other developer (4 out of 10 are Nintendo games). They aren't all N64 games either. GameCube itself has 2 games in the top 10, that's more then any other none Nintendo system!

Exactly I am talking about GC....anyway N (1st party) games are over-rated IMO///

It seems reviewers always try to find only good things (and ignore bad ones) in N games....they never talk about AI/Animation etc....

 

[jvd]

BTW Here's some GameRanking stats that relate to your "Nintendo era is over" comment.

Nintendo has 4 times the amount of games, in the top 10 at GameRankings, of any other developer (4 out of 10 are Nintendo games). They aren't all N64 games either. GameCube itself has 2 games in the top 10, that's more then any other none Nintendo system!

Exactly I am talking about GC....anyway N (1st party) games are over-rated IMO///

It seems reviewers always try to find only good things (and ignore bad ones) in N games....they never talk about AI/Animation etc....

Deepak it happens with all games.

 

[Deepak]

Cyborg prove that....!

Well i might of said it too fast but it still holds true for the majority of console genres.

32/64 generation

Platformer = Mario 64
Adventure = Zelda oot
Racing = GT (and thats hard to say, mario kart for some had much more gameplay)
RPG = Panzer dragoon saga
Action = Goldeneye

Psx had the most selection of every genres, and the most AA out of them, but it didnt truely have the "masterpiece game" for much of them. Thats my point.

My point is that N games get more praise than they deserve....every N game is considered a masterpiece even before the release....N64 had masterpieces so had PSX.....and more in nos....

Adventure = RE/Silent Hill
Action = MGS/SF (Syphon Filter)
FPS = MoH (Medal of Honor)
Fighting = Tekken3

 

[jvd]

Cyborg prove that....!

Well i might of said it too fast but it still holds true for the majority of console genres.

32/64 generation

Platformer = Mario 64
Adventure = Zelda oot
Racing = GT (and thats hard to say, mario kart for some had much more gameplay)
RPG = Panzer dragoon saga
Action = Goldeneye

Psx had the most selection of every genres, and the most AA out of them, but it didnt truely have the "masterpiece game" for much of them. Thats my point.

My point is that N games get more praise than they deserve....every N game is considered a masterpiece even before the release....N64 had masterpieces so had PSX.....and more in nos....

Adventure = RE/Silent Hill
Action = MGS/SF (Syphon Filter)
FPS = MoH (Medal of Honor)
Fighting = Tekken3

and sega gets the short end of the stick. It happens. Thats why i rent as often as possible.

 

[Cyborg]

Well Deepack, not to sound harsh but unless you make reviews in a big videogame media site or mag, nobody gives a shit what you really liked about that generation. There's peoples who thought superman 64 was a masterpiece, that doesnt make it "true". The media as a whole acclaimed the titles i mentioned as masterpieces, whether you agree or not it doesnt matter, the majority of reviews and the sales aswell as the general gamers' view of these titles are more close to create a "fact" over an individual's opinion.

Dont take offense, its the truth. There's always gamers that think this or that was overrated and "dont understand" why its so popular, if we would stop to these little details, then NO games would ever be good, no games would ever be AAA, no games would ever deserve a 95%+, and we would then end up with titles who scored in the 70's to score them higher because gamer A thinks its good.

Understand my point?

You can only go with the overall opinion and reviews when you end up comparing title A vs B with as less bias as possible.

 

[Johnny Awesome]

I agree that Gamecube has a higher quality ratio. The problem is that all the quality is in the form of Miyamoto-style games. There isn't even a decent racing game on the system. No major arcade fighting franchise either. Nothing to hook the casual gamer with ultra violence like GTA or Halo. These are the problems Nintendo has.