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Mine showed perfectly reasonably results. A 9700 pro would be a few percent faster, a 4600 would be 10-15 percent slower. I have a 9500 np.

Perhaps there's something screwy that is particular to your system?

Do you have AA forced on? Perhaps their performance analyzer doesn't take this into account when doing its simple tests.

And yes, 3dmk2k01 is a poor indicator of performance these days.
 
Mine showed perfectly reasonably results. A 9700 pro would be a few percent faster, a 4600 would be 10-15 percent slower. I have a 9500 np.

Perhaps there's something screwy that is particular to your system?

Do you have AA forced on? Perhaps their performance analyzer doesn't take this into account when doing its tests.

(And yes, 3dmk2k01 is a poor indicator of performance these days. But that's no reason to go calling a company "corrupt" because they have a test on their website that is a year old)
 
A thought I see repeated often is that Futuremark's problems stem from its flawed business model, ie. that they take money from hardware manufacturers. I think this misses the point.

Futuremark is dependent on IHVs because they need specifications, developer support and prerelease hardware to realise any of their benchmark. Without these things their benchmark applications just don't come to exist. Accepting money from the IHVs is irrelevant with respect to that or the recent events surrounding 3DMark03. Imagine that Nvidia had never paid a penny to Futuremark. They still could have left the beta program, started the calculated (and very successful) discrediting campaign and marginalised 3DMark03 with continuing cheat drivers, weakening its usefulness as a measurement program. Accepting or not accepting money from IHVs would have made no difference.

It obvious that FM viewed having Nvidia back in their beta program as a "top priority" because of the development of The Next Thing, not because they had huge dollar signs glowing in their eyes. Again, money or no money, they need Nvidia to give them their next gen specs, hardware and developer support during potential difficulties in the development that is happening right now in order to make a good and relevant benchmarking program.

The "capitulation" of Futuremark during the C-word incident had nothing to do with "being financially dependent" on Nvidia. It simply had to do with the staggering costs of a potential lawsuit, the excessive strain that all this holabaloo put on a 30-person company and the way Nvidia's continued lack of cooperation would have impacted the development The Next Thing. Again, money from Nvidia, I dare say, is not a significant factor in itself.

I would be happy to see a situation where the development of the benchmark is paid by Microsoft, OEMs, reviewers and individual end users but I think you can see that it would have made no difference with respect to the past events and it wouldn't change the fact that Futuremark will always be dependent on the IHVs. It is not really a solution.

The solution is that Microsoft will take more interest in seeing what is being done with its API and within the drivers they certify and that OEMs will start to use more influence (not necessarily publicly, but behind the scenes) in order to make IHVs behave better.
 
WaltC said:
OK, well, maybe "corrupt" isn't the applicable word--maybe we should use something like "factually bankrupt" or "inexplicably erroneous" to describe it...:)

Inconceivable...
 
BRiT said:
The only way I can fathom those results is if one has AA & AF forced on in the control panel while the performance-tester does not detect that. But if the performance tester is just querying the driver for device-id, then the numbers make no sense.

You know...that's interesting...I checked mine and found I had the Cpanel set to 2x FSAA/16x AF, and so I set them to AP and reran--fully expecting a difference, but there was none. Whatever it does, it doesn't actually run any kind of benchmark, apparently. Most likely its results are pre-programmed according to unknown and unpublished criteria.
 
RussSchultz said:
Do you have AA forced on? Perhaps their performance analyzer doesn't take this into account when doing its simple tests.

And yes, 3dmk2k01 is a poor indicator of performance these days.

Yes, I don't think the tester does any benchmarking whatever, as Cpanel settings for me make no difference (see post to Brit.) I gather it's some rudimentary card-identification program which spits back numbers pre-defined from some unexplained interpretation of their old data bases.

RussSchultz said:
Did you reboot your machine after playing with the control panel?

Although I have read about people having to do this--I've never had to reboot for initializing Cpanel changes--when the screen goes black for 2 seconds the changes have always been properly initialized for me.
 
What the Performance Analyzer does is simply checking your machine configuration (the video card in this case) and compare it to the average results of 3DMark2001 default run in the database for different cards.

For me (I have a GF 4200) it gives sensible results. Why it apparently fails to recognise Radeon cards and gives bogus results is beyond me.

Of course the 3DMark2001 default run isn't a good performance indicator for current cards anymore but it was when the service was introduced.
 
Bolloxoid said:
What the Performance Analyzer does is simply checking your machine configuration (the video card in this case) and compare it to the average results of 3DMark2001 default run in the database for different cards.

For me (I have a GF 4200) it gives sensible results. Why it apparently fails to recognise Radeon cards and gives bogus results is beyond me.

Of course the 3DMark2001 default run isn't a good performance indicator for current cards anymore but it was when the service was introduced.

But in T2K's case, who has a 9700P, the program purports to recognize a 9700P, but tells him if he replaced his 9700P with a 9700P his system would run 58% as fast as it does...:) (Or, he'd lose 42% of his current performance.)

But it also doesn't recognize any nV3x or a 9800P (as they aren't included in the comparison)--and since it doesn't recognize T2K's 9700P, I'd agree with you that the program doesn't recognize any radeons, although it purports to represent the performance of an R9700P.

The program should be removed as it is entirely innacurate today, regardless of what it possibly may have been at one time. And it's clearly incapable of contrasting older chips with many released in the last year or so as it doesn't even recognize them, and the ones that it does reference--like the 9700P--are not correctly represented.
 
Yeah FM really pushes this proggie by Maximum PC by hiding it on the vendors page. :LOL:

It's old, out of date & the vast majority of websites pulled it off their pages 6-7 months ago. Evidently FM has a reason for hiding it on the Vendor pages @ FM & not deleting it entirely. Appears, to me, that Maximum PC & CompUSA have the obligation to keep it up to date & not FM.

If you check the MPC website > benchmarks > you'll see they are still referencing 2001 benchmarks. :rolleyes: Tells me it is MPC & CompUSA that are behind the times & not FM. http://www.maximumpc.com/reprints/reprint_2001-08-16.html

Very old info (that many are aware of) on a very old proggie.
 
digitalwanderer said:
K.I.L.E.R said:
ZoinKs! said:
Heh, according to that tester, a 9700pro would speed up my system by 23% while a 4ti 4600 would boost it by 18% :?
The tester is broken.

Broken... or rigged? :LOL:
And you say I'm bashing FM? :rolleyes:

I was saying that you bashed a FM employee.
On another note, jokes are not considered as bashing. :p
 
Wolf said:
So in other words there will be no changes as I read it. I'm glad 8 months ago I deleted your benchmark from my hard drive. Either your benchmark is for the consumer or the IHV's. There is no middle ground as I see it and I see the direction you are choosing to go without even having to read your news release. Sorry, but your about 7 months too late as far as I'm concerned.

Sounds about right,

I have every right to be annoyed. I bought this benchmark believing it would allow me to do card comparisons. I bought it when a set of rules stated certain things. After taking my money, FutureMark then decided the rules would change. What exactly did I pay for then.

You're either working for the consumer, or the IHV's... you can't work for both, they're at opposite ends of the spectrum.
 
K.I.L.E.R said:
digitalwanderer said:
K.I.L.E.R said:
ZoinKs! said:
Heh, according to that tester, a 9700pro would speed up my system by 23% while a 4ti 4600 would boost it by 18% :?
The tester is broken.

Broken... or rigged? :LOL:
And you say I'm bashing FM? :rolleyes:

I was saying that you bashed a FM employee.
On another note, jokes are not considered as bashing. :p
I bashed a company, an employee of said company bashed me, I responded in kind...please keep it straight. ;)
 
digitalwanderer said:
K.I.L.E.R said:
digitalwanderer said:
K.I.L.E.R said:
ZoinKs! said:
Heh, according to that tester, a 9700pro would speed up my system by 23% while a 4ti 4600 would boost it by 18% :?
The tester is broken.

Broken... or rigged? :LOL:
And you say I'm bashing FM? :rolleyes:

I was saying that you bashed a FM employee.
On another note, jokes are not considered as bashing. :p
I bashed a company, an employee of said company bashed me, I responded in kind...please keep it straight. ;)

The employee of the company was joking as he said and even hinted that with the ';)' smilie.
You responded in a very unfortunate manner.
"...please keep it straight". ;)
 
K.I.L.E.R said:
digitalwanderer said:
K.I.L.E.R said:
digitalwanderer said:
K.I.L.E.R said:
ZoinKs! said:
Heh, according to that tester, a 9700pro would speed up my system by 23% while a 4ti 4600 would boost it by 18% :?
The tester is broken.

Broken... or rigged? :LOL:
And you say I'm bashing FM? :rolleyes:

I was saying that you bashed a FM employee.
On another note, jokes are not considered as bashing. :p
I bashed a company, an employee of said company bashed me, I responded in kind...please keep it straight. ;)

The employee of the company was joking as he said and even hinted that with the ';)' smilie.
You responded in a very unfortunate manner.
"...please keep it straight". ;)
My response was directly proportional to my aingst, a disagree with your assessment of "unfortunate".
 
Kiler, you are an @sshole. You are so full of crap it isn't even funny. ;)








































Sorry. Had to do it. Don't you remember those online comics Corwin posted the link to? Just because you put a smilie at the end of an insult doesn't mean that it's any less of an insult.

The employee of the company was joking as he said and even hinted that with the '' smilie.
You responded in a very unfortunate manner.

*edit* Here's the particular comic I was referring to:

http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20030918

Thanks for posting the link originally corwin. Very funny stuff.
 
I can't believe I just read those last 5 or 6 replies. I want that time back.

Doesn't Amazon hold the patent on getting your time back after reading posts in newsgroups, forums, or mail digests ? :p
 
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